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Do you think Transparency would increase under a Trump Presidency?

More transparency under Trump Presidency?

  • Yes

    Votes: 6 15.0%

  • No

    Votes: 29 72.5%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 4 10.0%

  • Probably not/Other/Explain

    Votes: 1 2.5%
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Yes, no, maybe so?

I kind of get the feeling that every time congress doesn't act, Trump would call to the carpet anyone member of congress who were more loyal to their donors than the constituents. More transparency or nah?
 
Probably not, I'm not convinced there is such a thing as transparency of government these days no matter who is in charge.
 
RBIII said:
Yes, no, maybe so?

I kind of get the feeling that every time congress doesn't act, Trump would call to the carpet anyone member of congress who were more loyal to their donors than the constituents. More transparency or nah?
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Things will change .. NOT . Are Trump and his supporters smart enough to realize that our system is corrupt and that "donors" must be done away with ? The only donors must be the people, but, obviously, the people must be forced to participate .. mandatory voting ..
 
With his constant veering between decisions on the fly, we would be seeking predictability, not transparency. Policy would be changing daily if not hourly.
 
earthworm said:
Things will change .. NOT . Are Trump and his supporters smart enough to realize that our system is corrupt and that "donors" must be done away with ? The only donors must be the people, but, obviously, the people must be forced to participate .. mandatory voting ..
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Here I agree with you:the corruptness is exactly and only the politician who promises 'the world' to the voter in order to get elected only to ignore the voter for the entirely of the term 'cause they know more than the voter.

Transparency, never.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
With his constant veering between decisions on the fly, we would be seeking predictability, not transparency. Policy would be changing daily if not hourly.
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Cite just one Trump veer, please.
 
earthworm said:
Things will change .. NOT . Are Trump and his supporters smart enough to realize that our system is corrupt and that "donors" must be done away with ? The only donors must be the people, but, obviously, the people must be forced to participate .. mandatory voting ..
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Mandatory voting? How would you enforce this? Wouldn't that be sort of antithetical to the concept of liberty? Do you really want to have more politically ignorant voters than we already do?
 
earthworm said:
Things will change .. NOT . Are Trump and his supporters smart enough to realize that our system is corrupt and that "donors" must be done away with ? The only donors must be the people, but, obviously, the people must be forced to participate .. mandatory voting ..
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Hasn't Trump constantly talked about how the politician are all talk and no action and are controlled by their donors? He gets standing applause every time he says it, doesn't that address the concern you raised here? I think the he is doing so well because he is exposing the corruption, or its at least a major factor.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Probably not, I'm not convinced there is such a thing as transparency of government these days no matter who is in charge.
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This maybe true, but maybe we are at a turning point with a Trump presidency. He already talks about foreign policy and what he will do in public at his rally's. I could see him everyday doing his own White House daily briefings lol.
 
If there is a politician who would be most transparent, it would be, IMO, The Donald. His views haven't changed. His speeches are the same. He isn't dependent on donors. Question is: who will he be dependent on?
His goals are to restore the US to potency in the world by, for example, restoring jobs to Americans, making the US military the strongest in the world, cutting down on the deficit (seems like building a strong military and cutting down the deficit would conflict), and interpreting The Constitution like it was meant to be interpreted when ratified in 1789. Judges don't change The Constitution, Ted Cruz, amendments do. Judges (lawyers and Cruz) call those Constitutional changes 'interpretations' or precedents.

Sidenote: I wonder, Ted Cruz, if SCOTUS interpreted the second amendment to pertain only to organized militias, would you then say individual Americans no longer had the right to bare arms?
 
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RBIII said:
This maybe true, but maybe we are at a turning point with a Trump presidency. He already talks about foreign policy and what he will do in public at his rally's. I could see him everyday doing his own White House daily briefings lol.
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Transparency is not about rhetoric and running off at the mouth in front of a mic about foreign policy or anything else.

What it is about is revealing any and all motivations for a given policy no matter what it is. As in money and lobbying in politics, spending communications and corporate benefit identification efforts, and of course Freedom of Information Act type thinking where very little can be hidden from the public.

Don't be fooled by someone at the mic promising transparency and good things, that is how we ended up with Obama in the first place.
 
cabse5 said:
Cite just one Trump veer, please.
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Trump pulled an Obama and called his flip flopping "evloving"

No. No, these are different times. And over the years, you are going to change your attitudes. You're going to learn things and you're going to change. And I have evolved on that issue. I have evolved on numerous issues.
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RBIII said:
Yes, no, maybe so?

I kind of get the feeling that every time congress doesn't act, Trump would call to the carpet anyone member of congress who were more loyal to their donors than the constituents. More transparency or nah?
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Absolutely not.
Like any other president, only the parts he wants to be transparent would be. Now those parts may be different and seem new but there will be now increased transparency overall IMO
 
earthworm said:
Things will change .. NOT . Are Trump and his supporters smart enough to realize that our system is corrupt and that "donors" must be done away with ? The only donors must be the people, but, obviously, the people must be forced to participate .. mandatory voting ..
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Whoa. You've covered a lot of ground here.

Citizens have a right to have their concerns heard by their elected officials, and to support those who the believe will best represent them. The key to correcting the undue influence everyone is concerned about is through transparency. Except in areas of National Security, or personal safety, elected officials should be required to be completely transparent about their activities, schedules, and monetary support. This would go a long way to resolving this influence peddling issue.

As to mandatory voting, wrong country, our Founding Fathers, and the Founding Documents don't require forced participation.
 
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Crovax said:
Trump pulled an Obama and called his flip flopping "evloving"
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Flip flopping or changing is the definition of evolving. Do you dislike evolving because it's a positive word Trump can utilize?
 
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cabse5 said:
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Sidenote: I wonder, Ted Cruz, if SCOTUS interpreted the second amendment to pertain only to organized militias, would you then say individual Americans no longer had the right to bare arms?
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I'm wearing a short sleeved shirt so I'm bearing arms. Would I be breaking the 2nd Amendment?
 
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OrphanSlug said:
Transparency is not about rhetoric and running off at the mouth in front of a mic about foreign policy or anything else.

What it is about is revealing any and all motivations for a given policy no matter what it is. As in money and lobbying in politics, spending communications and corporate benefit identification efforts, and of course Freedom of Information Act type thinking where very little can be hidden from the public.

Don't be fooled by someone at the mic promising transparency and good things, that is how we ended up with Obama in the first place.
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Is this comment about Trump running off about foreign policy your political ideology? I think it is. Give just one example of Trump running off about foreign policy.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Transparency is not about rhetoric and running off at the mouth in front of a mic about foreign policy or anything else.

What it is about is revealing any and all motivations for a given policy no matter what it is. As in money and lobbying in politics, spending communications and corporate benefit identification efforts, and of course Freedom of Information Act type thinking where very little can be hidden from the public.

Don't be fooled by someone at the mic promising transparency and good things, that is how we ended up with Obama in the first place.
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I guess my point is that he is not talking about transparency when he makes these speeches, he is practicing it. I think there is a distinct difference, not once have I heard him use the word transparency, i think that because its not something you have to talk about when you live it. He's said he's paid politicians for favor later on, you can't get more transparent than that, no politician would ever admit that they have done anything because of their donors. They make up lies and use smoke in mirrors as if everything is so complicated when its not.
 
Irrelevant...he will not be POTUS in 2016.

He is too ignorant, too xenophobic and too egotistical/arrogant.

In other words, he is clueless and is clueless that he is clueless.


But if he did somehow become POTUS, transparency would be the least of America's concerns...competency would be top of the list, IMO.
 
DA60 said:
Irrelevant...he will not be POTUS in 2016.

He is too ignorant, too xenophobic and too egotistical/arrogant.

In other words, he is clueless and is clueless that he is clueless.


But if he did somehow become POTUS, transparency would be the least of America's concerns...competency would be top of the list, IMO.
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Why do you think he is clueless? I don't understand.

Definition of Clueless : having no knowledge, understanding, or ability.
 
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