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Obama's foreign policy: Failure or success?

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How would you rate Obama's foreign policy? I would have to rate it as an abject failure.

Some highlights (not all of them, just a few):

- Killed Osama Bin Laden

- After Hillary, appointed a divisive figure in John Kerry as SOS.

- Failed to follow up with Bush's amazing humanitarian aid and foreign policy towards Africa.

- Negotiated with a terrorist organization in the Taliban to release 5 senior Taliban commanders for a traitor in Bowe Berghal.

- Attempting to close Guantanamo Bay and moving prisoners too dangerous for other countries in the United States

- Negotiated with Iran to pardon 21 Iranians convicted of violating U.S sanctions for 5 American prisoners.

- 2012 Benghazi debacle

- Restored relations with a rogue state in Cuba despite the Castro brothers still being in power

- Worsened relations with Russia
 
How would you rate Obama's foreign policy? I would have to rate it as an abject failure.

Some highlights (not all of them, just a few):

- Killed Osama Bin Laden

- After Hillary, appointed a divisive figure in John Kerry as SOS.

- Failed to follow up with Bush's amazing humanitarian aid and foreign policy towards Africa.

- Negotiated with a terrorist organization in the Taliban to release 5 senior Taliban commanders for a traitor in Bowe Berghal.

- Attempting to close Guantanamo Bay and moving prisoners too dangerous for other countries in the United States

- Negotiated with Iran to pardon 21 Iranians convicted of violating U.S sanctions for 5 American prisoners.

- 2012 Benghazi debacle

- Restored relations with a rogue state in Cuba despite the Castro brothers still being in power

- Worsened relations with Russia

-I think he inherited a massive failure in Iraq, and short of keeping us there indefinitely there was not much else he could have done to prevent what ultimately happened in Syria. I'll blame that one mostly on Bush but partial blame to Obama.

-As for Syria, I think we need to promote hard line leaders like Assad that keep their countries citizens in check. Obama and most of Europe was far too indecisive regarding this issue and it blew out of proportion into what we see today with ISIS.

-I disagreed with our government supporting the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. I also disagreed with ousting Ghaddafi.

+I think restoring relations with Cuba was in both our nations interests.

+John Kerry has done wonders as a diplomat, especially in thawing relations with Iran and the Iranian people who will be key to our continued good will dealings in the future when the current Ayatollah is gone.

+Benghazi is a non-issue, US consulate attacks and deaths under previous administrations occurred far more. Tragic no matter how you look at it.

+Normalized relations with our European allies after a strained relationship under Bush. Obama is seen very positively among Europe.
 
if obamas foreign policy was a failure...bush must have been a disaster....lol
 
if obamas foreign policy was a failure...bush must have been a disaster....lol
Both equally disastrous.....particularly in the Middle East. 16 years of failed foreign policy.....something's got to give soon.
 
Seriously ?

Supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt

Bragged about Iraq being " stable, democratic and sovereign ", and then destabilised it by pulling all semblence of US Military power out of it.

Worse he did nothing as ISIS ran roughshod accros Iraq killing Women, Children and Men gaining influence and weapons..

Drew symbolic Red Lines in Syria and did nothing as the Syrian Crisis raged on and led to a refugee crisis that spilled into Europe.

Waged a pretend war in Syria. It took a terrorist attack in Paris to force him to actually target the enemy

Libya ? Took out Khadafi and did nothing while Lybia turned into a hotbed for Islamic extremist

Benghazi ? It's only a " non issue " to partisan hacks, its absolutey a issue to the Families who lost their Sons, Brothers, Husbands, etc and were fed lies by the Obama administration and the State Dept.

Iran ? No #1 state sponsor of terror. They get Billions of dollars for their continued Jihad.
 
if obamas foreign policy was a failure...bush must have been a disaster....lol

Obama seemed quite impressed with Bush's Foreign Policy.

In 2011 he stated that Iraq was " Stable, Democratic and Soverign ", and then he destabilized it.

Then did nothing as ISIS exploited the power vacuum he created by killing women, Men and Children and taking over once liberated towns.
 
I think it's very short-sighted to "grade" Pres. Obama's foreign policy objectives through such narrow lens as Syria, Iraq, Iran or Benghazi especially when Iraq/Syria, for example, exploding into failed states was out of his control. Still, there are some negatives which bare mentioning again:

- Libya. I don't think he was forward looking enough in throwing his support behind overthrowing Gaddafi. The Benghazi attack aside, ousting Gaddafi ultimately left the country in a power struggle between the defacto leader there and Islamic terror groups.

-/+ Iraq. I can't blame him for things splintering out of control in Iraq post-surge. After all, when a sovereign government led by a duly elected Prime Minister/President tells you it's time for you to go so we can run our own country, it's time for you to go! I can certainly understand how many people feel about U.S. combat troops not staying, but to be totally honest Iraq would have fell apart regardless and many of our military leaders (i.e., Gen. Peatreus) and intelligence analyst knew it. Had we stayed, insurgents would have continued to fight these small skirmishes either between Sunni and Shia groups, among themselves or against U.S./coalition forces. Moreover, they just would have waited until we left anyway to go full scale domestic terrorist. So, while I somewhat agree that we could have hastened our efforts to put many more "military advisers" in country sooner to blunt what ultimately became an ISIS build-up, there's very little we could have done to stop it once we were told to leave Iraq to be governed by the newly established Iraqi (Shia-majority) government.

-/+ Syria. I know...the red line turned out to be just tough talk, but when it comes down to it Syria never was America's problem. It first was a Syrian national problem that morphed into a U.N. problem. Only the U.N. never jumped into the fray until the Syrian refugee problem became too much for Europe and Turkey to handle alone, not to mention all the theft, rapes, local chaos, and murder committed by ISIS leaders. I still believe Pres. Obama was wrong to try and instigate things here early on, but I think he's acted appropriately to the Syrian problem since Russia and Turkey have gotten involved.

+/- Egypt. I thought he was right to support the Egyptian citizens in their effort to oust a dictator, but was wrong to support the Muslim Brotherhood. He eventually made the right call in supporting the Egyptian military who ultimately brought a sense of stability back to the country. It's just a shame the country went backwards when it didn't need to.

+/? Iran. The verdict is still out on this one. I agree with the nuclear reduction deal, but have my doubts that the Iranian military and/or religious leaders will ever stop being butt-heads and start listening their people and business leaders who really want better relations with the West/America.

+/- Israel. I do believe Pres. Obama supports Israel. I do believe BiBi is a butt-head. That said, I think when you don't live in the ME you need to listen to people who are from there and know the history behind the difficult international and territorial relationships. However, I also believe both Bibi and Pres. Obama were wrong to meddle in each nation's geo-political affairs. Regardless, Obama stands with Israel despite what the opposition thinks. His stated position on the basis of an Israeli/Palestine peace accord is no different from previous Presidents (Clinton and GWB).

Overall, I don't think he's done as bad a job as his critics characterize things. Things could have been better, but we're not hated around the world nearly as much as people may believe, WWIII hasn't broken out, trade routes are still open and most nations have seemed to rally to Obama's call to deal with ISIS and global terrorism.

Grade: B-
 
Con (R) : Failure !

Lib (D) : Success !

I think his lesser investment of American troops abroad is a relative success compared to his predecessor. I don't like the idea of politicians in Washington DC idly risking our soldiers lives.
 
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Both equally disastrous.....particularly in the Middle East. 16 years of failed foreign policy.....something's got to give soon.

The partisan hacks here outnumber the non partisans by at least 10 to 1, so you probably won't get much agreement here, but I sure do.
 
Seriously ?

Supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt

Bragged about Iraq being " stable, democratic and sovereign ", and then destabilised it by pulling all semblence of US Military power out of it.

Worse he did nothing as ISIS ran roughshod accros Iraq killing Women, Children and Men gaining influence and weapons..

Drew symbolic Red Lines in Syria and did nothing as the Syrian Crisis raged on and led to a refugee crisis that spilled into Europe.

Waged a pretend war in Syria. It took a terrorist attack in Paris to force him to actually target the enemy

Libya ? Took out Khadafi and did nothing while Lybia turned into a hotbed for Islamic extremist

Benghazi ? It's only a " non issue " to partisan hacks, its absolutey a issue to the Families who lost their Sons, Brothers, Husbands, etc and were fed lies by the Obama administration and the State Dept.

Iran ? No #1 state sponsor of terror. They get Billions of dollars for their continued Jihad.

I'm curious as to what those who merely spew far right political rhetoric would actually do with these issues, if they were on the hot seat, and the buck stopped with them.
 
if obamas foreign policy was a failure...bush must have been a disaster....lol

Its important to note Bush inherited six civil wars from Clinton in Africa - Sudan, Congo, Angola, Liberia, Sierra Leone. All civil wars were over by the time Bush left Office.

Democrats have largely ignored Africa before and after Bush.
 
Its important to note Bush inherited six civil wars from Clinton in Africa - Sudan, Congo, Angola, Liberia, Sierra Leone. All civil wars were over by the time Bush left Office.

Democrats have largely ignored Africa before and after Bush.

I don't think I have heard anything so ridiculous in my life. I think you win the Ridiculous Prize for this month (maybe the year).
 
I don't think I have heard anything so ridiculous in my life. I think you win the Ridiculous Prize for this month (maybe the year).

Bush has been praised by many of his fiercest critics on Africa. That's probably his crown jewel achievement during his 8-years in office.
 
How would you rate Obama's foreign policy? I would have to rate it as an abject failure.

Some highlights (not all of them, just a few):

- Killed Osama Bin Laden

- After Hillary, appointed a divisive figure in John Kerry as SOS.

- Failed to follow up with Bush's amazing humanitarian aid and foreign policy towards Africa.

- Negotiated with a terrorist organization in the Taliban to release 5 senior Taliban commanders for a traitor in Bowe Berghal.

- Attempting to close Guantanamo Bay and moving prisoners too dangerous for other countries in the United States

- Negotiated with Iran to pardon 21 Iranians convicted of violating U.S sanctions for 5 American prisoners.

- 2012 Benghazi debacle

- Restored relations with a rogue state in Cuba despite the Castro brothers still being in power

- Worsened relations with Russia


Well you look at where we started with. We had participated in the destabilization of Iraq of course and to some degree Afghanistan.
Now we have Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Egypt ( although that ones not too bad ) and Iran. We have become involved with all of those or continued to be involved with all of those during the current administration which has had a result of chaos to some degree or another.
Foreign favorability polls show people in the middle east and eastern Europe have a noticeably greater negative view of this administration than the Bush administration. Asian countries more negative also although not to as great of a degree. Western Europe is about the same maybe slightly more favorable. And central and south American region, which I thought would be noticeable more favorable is only slightly more favorable also.
All in all the world view of the USA has declined under the Obama administration ( yes I can dig up the poll if there are doubters )
 
How would you rate Obama's foreign policy? I would have to rate it as an abject failure.

Some highlights (not all of them, just a few):

- Killed Osama Bin Laden

- After Hillary, appointed a divisive figure in John Kerry as SOS.

- Failed to follow up with Bush's amazing humanitarian aid and foreign policy towards Africa.

- Negotiated with a terrorist organization in the Taliban to release 5 senior Taliban commanders for a traitor in Bowe Berghal.

- Attempting to close Guantanamo Bay and moving prisoners too dangerous for other countries in the United States

- Negotiated with Iran to pardon 21 Iranians convicted of violating U.S sanctions for 5 American prisoners.

- 2012 Benghazi debacle

- Restored relations with a rogue state in Cuba despite the Castro brothers still being in power

- Worsened relations with Russia

I voted a failure.



BHO didn't kill Bin Laden, but he sure took credit for it.

Not to mention HRC's tenure as SOS....that's 2 abject failures in one position.

Obama could've charged and tried the remaining Gitmo detainees, but chose not too, continuing the GWB failure to serve Justice, or even abide by the most basic of Laws, due process, and Prisoner Right's, etc. (If interested see my thread in this.http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/244608-obamas-quest-close-gitmo.html)

I give GWB and Obama equal blame for the current state of affairs in the ME, Obama more for Syria. Obama had his chance in Syria, and blew it. IMO, it's now best to let the Russians wade in this quagmire for a while.

US meddling in this region goes much farther back than the 16 yrs. mentioned.


Add a failure of Leadership in General, it's not just on FP.
 
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He pulled that trigger? I thought it was Robert O'Neil...silly me.

I voted failure but, to be completely fair, at least in his first term a lot of it was inexperience. I wish he had been a bit quicker of a study than he had been but having even less experience myself this is one area where I try not to judge the President.
 
He pulled that trigger? I thought it was Robert O'Neil...silly me.

I voted failure but, to be completely fair, at least in his first term a lot of it was inexperience. I wish he had been a bit quicker of a study than he had been but having even less experience myself this is one area where I try not to judge the President.

He ordered it so he gets credit for the kill.
 
God help us if Trump becomes president.. wonder how many American soldiers will be killed if some country criticizes Trump
 
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