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why does trump keep saying we are giving iran money????

truthatallcost said:
It is strange for Obama to be so willing to change our stance towards Iran. Iran executes juvenile offenders after all, the most of any country. So why is Obama rewarding a human rights violating nation like Iran?
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Welcome to the world, where moral relativism must be accepted. I believe Jimmy Carter tried to run his foreign policy based upon human rights, but every other president has learned to look the other way at countries that generally served US interest.
 
upsideguy said:
Welcome to the world, where moral relativism must be accepted. I believe Jimmy Carter tried to run his foreign policy based upon human rights, but every other president has learned to look the other way at countries that generally served US interest.
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Well said. I don't think Obama should be bargaining with Iran though.
Then again China is one of our biggest trading partners, and they are gross human rights violators as well.
 
Because Trump is not a nice man like Obama, and Trump could never negotiate one of the crowning achievements that we have the luxury to have witnessed in our lifetimes, that only comes around in a millennium. To have the privilege and honor to be able to sit here and ponder how Obama made the Iran deal happen. A truly monumental task of intellect and cunning prowess that the Obama administration brings forth day in and day out could only make Trump jealous, and make him resort to hyperbole and distorting the facts. That's why...
 
plutonium said:
my understanding and tell me if I am wrong is that we have unfroze irans bank accounts that were in usa banks that belonged to them already (their money) not giving them money from taxpayers or usa money.....for nuclear deal..... is this correct!!!! Obama cant give anyone money from the usa without the congress approving it ... so why does trump keep saying this....
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Did he say the US was giving taxpayer money or just the amount?
 
pphhrogg said:
Why does Trump tell ANY of the lies that he does? Because his low IQ followers will believe ANYTHING he has to say.
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could not have said it better.... I did not know there were so many ignorant people in America look at trumps polls
 
The SwampDonkey said:
Because we have their money, and now we're giving it to them.

No different from this scenario: you go to the bank and give them a withdrawl slip, and they give you the money.

Just because YOU chose to interpret it another way, make inferences, and put words in someone's mouth doesn't make Trump a liar - it just means you misunderstood.

What Trump said is accurate. We are giving Iran money.

The bigger point is what a "yuge" mistake it is to give them that money.
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it does not take a rocket scientist to know that Obama is not giving iran our money....what planet are you from....you know better too. its ok for trump to lie I see but jump all over Hillary I hope they check out that republican governor in Michigan about lead in the water they way they did Hillary
 
Awesome! said:
Because Trump is not a nice man like Obama, and Trump could never negotiate one of the crowning achievements that we have the luxury to have witnessed in our lifetimes, that only comes around in a millennium. To have the privilege and honor to be able to sit here and ponder how Obama made the Iran deal happen. A truly monumental task of intellect and cunning prowess that the Obama administration brings forth day in and day out could only make Trump jealous, and make him resort to hyperbole and distorting the facts. That's why...
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very well said and with no help from congress....isn't it funny the way Obama got detained soldiers back in 16hrs he wont get any props for that either.
 
plutonium said:
my understanding and tell me if I am wrong is that we have unfroze irans bank accounts that were in usa banks that belonged to them already (their money) not giving them money from taxpayers or usa money.....for nuclear deal..... is this correct!!!! Obama cant give anyone money from the usa without the congress approving it ... so why does trump keep saying this....
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Because Trump is always lying and acting like a childish bully - that is what they do.
 
plutonium said:
could not have said it better.... I did not know there were so many ignorant people in America look at trumps polls
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How very true Plutonium. People who vote in a different way from us are indeed ignorant and stupid. If they had a bit of sense they would think exactly like we do. Never mind! If we poor enough abuse on their heads perhaps they will realise the error of their ways.
 
plutonium said:
it does not take a rocket scientist to know that Obama is not giving iran our money....what planet are you from....you know better too. its ok for trump to lie I see but jump all over Hillary I hope they check out that republican governor in Michigan about lead in the water they way they did Hillary
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Trump never said Obama was giving Iran OUR money

Never said that.

You're basing your argument on a straw man
 
excuse me boss.... on more than one occasion trump said Obama was giving iran millions of dollars ..whose money did you think he was giving back.. he made sure he did not say irans own money held in u.s. banks or obamas own money that means to me u.s. money (our money)...
 
plutonium said:
excuse me boss.... on more than one occasion trump said Obama was giving iran millions of dollars ..whose money did you think he was giving back.. he made sure he did not say irans own money held in u.s. banks or obamas own money that means to me u.s. money (our money)...
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Actually, pretty much none of the above. Its not US money, nor is most of it even in US banks. Its Iranian money which is to pay for oil delivered, mostly to Asian countries. The money was largely in Asian banks.

People are forgetting the sanctions against Iran and the agreement to lift that sanctions are a collective action of six countries. This is NOT a US v Iran transaction. The United States is but one party to the deal.

Lifting Sanctions Will Release $100 Billion To Iran. Then What? : Parallels : NPR

Most low information voters were led to believe that the US is giving Iran the money as consideration (a reward) for the deal. This is largely because those opposed to the deal have been feeding those that know nothing about this deal this line of bull for months.

Don't you wish people would do a better job of educating themselves about world events? Then we would have politicians that would be accountable to us rather than trying to manipulate us.
 
Thrilla said:
the US takes stewardship of those monies after it seizes an account.... at that point, in practical terms, it's no longer Iran's money.... it becomes their money once the US gives it back to them , though.
there can be arguments made to whether or not it's justifiable to seize those accounts or not... but there really isn't an argument as to who " owns" the money after it's been seized.
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To my recollection, the money was not seized, accounts were frozen.
 
upsideguy said:
Actually, pretty much none of the above. Its not US money, nor is most of it even in US banks. Its Iranian money which is to pay for oil delivered, mostly to Asian countries. The money was largely in Asian banks.

People are forgetting the sanctions against Iran and the agreement to lift that sanctions are a collective action of six countries. This is NOT a US v Iran transaction. The United States is but one party to the deal.

Lifting Sanctions Will Release $100 Billion To Iran. Then What? : Parallels : NPR

Most low information voters were led to believe that the US is giving Iran the money as consideration (a reward) for the deal. This is largely because those opposed to the deal have been feeding those that know nothing about this deal this line of bull for months.

Don't you wish people would do a better job of educating themselves about world events? Then we would have politicians that would be accountable to us rather than trying to manipulate us.
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That's why the right wing extremist nut jobs are sending images like this one around social media. Problem is, the low information voters and the other RWENJ just eat this stuff up and keep it going.

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Dittohead not! said:
That's why the right wing extremist nut jobs are sending images like this one around social media. Problem is, the low information voters and the other RWENJ just eat this stuff up and keep it going.

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Joe Walsh was a much better singer than speaker. I liked him better when he was with the Eagles.... ;)
 
Perhaps Trump sees the same world as socialist/progressives do. I will remember this thread and the commentators in it the next time people start talking about how allowing the wealthy people to keep more of their own hard earned money is some sort of evil crime.
 
Because he lies about simply everything. That's what pathological liars do.
 
VanceMack said:
Perhaps Trump sees the same world as socialist/progressives do. I will remember this thread and the commentators in it the next time people start talking about how allowing the wealthy people to keep more of their own hard earned money is some sort of evil crime.
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I am not certain what this has to do with Trump (not to mention a large part of the right wing politicos) trying to infer that America is giving Iran $100B

Off Topic.gif Huckabee: U.S. is giving Iran the equivalent of $5 trillion | PolitiFact
The US Said to Be Planning to Give Iran a $50 Billion Signing Bonus for a Nuke Deal. Good or Bad Idea?
 
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Casper said:
Or get shim more free publicity ......and no it is not even somewhat correct.
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Really? It's money they didn't have before the Obama deal, and money they now have BECAUSE of the Obama deal. Yeah, big difference.

Its a good thing they aren't our sworn enemy, otherwise, we might have to worry. :roll:

For the record, I am not a Chump supporter.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
But if you are going to call out Trump on this make sure you get the rest of the 98% of politicians and journalists who do the same thing.
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He's not allowed to comment on Trump without providing a list of every last politician and journalist who has lied?





I really never will understand why every forum seems to have one or two people who jab at others for failing to "call out" every last person who has done something like what the subject being criticized did. What's it supposed to add?
 
upsideguy said:
I am not certain what this has to do with Trump (not to mention a large part of the right wing politicos) trying to infer that America is giving Iran $100B

View attachment 67197073 Huckabee: U.S. is giving Iran the equivalent of $5 trillion | PolitiFact
The US Said to Be Planning to Give Iran a $50 Billion Signing Bonus for a Nuke Deal. Good or Bad Idea?
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Your inference is Trump is lying and that in fact all they are doing is 'giving back (with interest) the money that had been frozen. Far from GIVING them anything, they are just letting them have what is already theirs. Correct?

Yeah...not at all shocked you cant/wont see your hypocrisy.
 
VanceMack said:
Your inference is Trump is lying and that in fact all they are doing is 'giving back (with interest) the money that had been frozen. Far from GIVING them anything, they are just letting them have what is already theirs. Correct?

Yeah...not at all shocked you cant/wont see your hypocrisy.
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Perhaps I can help you gain some coherence here. I have been stating all along that they are allowing Iran access to their own accounts. I am taking Trump and others to task for inferring that we are giving Iran money. We are not. Please see my posts on this thread for the consistency of these statements.

Now, please explain why you think there is hypocrisy? It seems as if your are going off on some tangent suggesting the idea of levying taxes is taking money. 1) That is hardly the topic at hand; 2) Its not even remotely the same thing and 3) as I have argued on another thread, not every dollar you earn is yours.... you have a "debt" to society that must be paid because the social/government for providing the environment in which you earn the money.

Again, I suggest you take this to the following thread:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...quarter-and-annual-2015-advance-estimate.html

Feel free to attack my address of this sidebar you are on...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...arter-and-annual-2015-advance-estimate-9.html


Before you do, however, you should better understand the word hypocrisy, which is the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

We are discussing the release of what is clearly Iran's money. You are trying to equate it to taxing of income with the assumption that every dollar of one's wage belongs to them. That is YOUR assumption. For their to by hypocrisy, there would have to be agreement on that premise, and there is not. I, for one, do not subscribe to the notion that every dollar of your wages is yours any more than I would say that every dollar of revenue of a business is belongs to the business. In both cases, there are costs of revenue that must be recognized and paid.

There is no hypocrisy here nor is there any relevance to the topic at hand.
 
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upsideguy said:
Perhaps I can help you gain some coherence here. I have been stating all along that they are allowing Iran access to their own accounts. I am taking Trump and others to task for inferring that we are giving Iran money. We are not. Please see my posts on this thread for the consistency of these statements.

Now, please explain why you think there is hypocrisy? It seems as if your are going off on some tangent suggesting the idea of levying taxes is taking money. 1) That is hardly the topic at hand; 2) Its not even remotely the same thing and 3) as I have argued on another thread, not every dollar you earn is yours.... you have a "debt" to society that must be paid because the social/government for providing the environment in which you earn the money.

Again, I suggest you take this to the following thread:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...quarter-and-annual-2015-advance-estimate.html

Feel free to attack my address of this sidebar you are on...

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...arter-and-annual-2015-advance-estimate-9.html


Before you do, however, you should better understand the word hypocrisy, which is the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

We are discussing the release of what is clearly Iran's money. You are trying to equate it to taxing of income with the assumption that every dollar of one's wage belongs to them. That is YOUR assumption. For their to by hypocrisy, there would have to be agreement on that premise, and there is not. I, for one, do not subscribe to the notion that every dollar of your wages is yours any more than I would say that every dollar of revenue of a business is belongs to the business. In both cases, there are costs of revenue that must be recognized and paid.

There is no hypocrisy here nor is there any relevance to the topic at hand.
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Allowing them to have access to their own money.

There is hypocrisy every time the left shrieks about 'handouts' to the rich in the form of tax breaks.
 
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