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Is it Ok to "Gear Up" in Case Your Government Need to be Fought Against?

Is it Ok to "Gear Up" in Case You Need to Fight Your Government?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 43 69.4%

  • No.

    Votes: 8 12.9%

  • It depends on...(Explain).

    Votes: 11 17.7%

  • My Government coul NEVER be corrupt...or other silliness.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    62
Ntharotep

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There were some of our forefathers who believed in the American People having weapons in case the Government ever got so corrupt that we needed to "fight back".
I don't think they planned on tanks, ballistics above and beyond canons, etc.

So. What are the thoughts on this? Should a person be allowed to "stockpile" weapons (legal ones) in case of Revolution or no?
If you think they should be able to stockpile weapons that aren't legal then tell us about that too!

And...Debate!
 
Ntharotep said:
There were some of our forefathers who believed in the American People having weapons in case the Government ever got so corrupt that we needed to "fight back".
I don't think they planned on tanks, ballistics above and beyond canons, etc.

So. What are the thoughts on this? Should a person be allowed to "stockpile" weapons (legal ones) in case of Revolution or no?
If you think they should be able to stockpile weapons that aren't legal then tell us about that too!

And...Debate!
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If you have a knife, they have a gun. If you get a semiautomatic, they have a flamethrower. If you get a rocket launcher, they have a tank. If you get an anti-tank missile, they'll flatten your ass with a cruise missile. It's not an arms race you're really going to win.
 
Ntharotep said:
There were some of our forefathers who believed in the American People having weapons in case the Government ever got so corrupt that we needed to "fight back".
I don't think they planned on tanks, ballistics above and beyond canons, etc.

So. What are the thoughts on this? Should a person be allowed to "stockpile" weapons (legal ones) in case of Revolution or no?
If you think they should be able to stockpile weapons that aren't legal then tell us about that too!

And...Debate!
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Sure they should. The original purpose of the second is a valid reason today.

I think the pertinent phrase is "all enemies, foreign and domestic".
 
Ntharotep said:
There were some of our forefathers who believed in the American People having weapons in case the Government ever got so corrupt that we needed to "fight back".
I don't think they planned on tanks, ballistics above and beyond canons, etc.

So. What are the thoughts on this? Should a person be allowed to "stockpile" weapons (legal ones) in case of Revolution or no?
If you think they should be able to stockpile weapons that aren't legal then tell us about that too!

And...Debate!
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If you acquire your guns legally, I see absolutely no problem whatsoever.
 
Ntharotep said:
There were some of our forefathers who believed in the American People having weapons in case the Government ever got so corrupt that we needed to "fight back".
I don't think they planned on tanks, ballistics above and beyond canons, etc.

So. What are the thoughts on this? Should a person be allowed to "stockpile" weapons (legal ones) in case of Revolution or no?
If you think they should be able to stockpile weapons that aren't legal then tell us about that too!

And...Debate!
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Since you specify legally, then of course it is ok. Retarded to do, silly, laughable and a host of other terms apply too, but if you ain't breaking any laws, have at it.
 
Redress said:
Since you specify legally, then of course it is ok. Retarded to do, silly, laughable and a host of other terms apply too, but if you ain't breaking any laws, have at it.
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Exactly.

It's kind of like those retarded militia guys in that building up in Oregon or where ever. They think they are holding off the government with all their rifles when in reality if they tried that against an ACTUAL dictatorship or tyrannical government, that building would have been flattened with all of them inside it on day one and rebuilding would start on day 2.
 
Ntharotep said:
There were some of our forefathers who believed in the American People having weapons in case the Government ever got so corrupt that we needed to "fight back".
I don't think they planned on tanks, ballistics above and beyond canons, etc.

So. What are the thoughts on this? Should a person be allowed to "stockpile" weapons (legal ones) in case of Revolution or no?
If you think they should be able to stockpile weapons that aren't legal then tell us about that too!

And...Debate!
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Without much context to the question, it seems "ok to gear up" with weapons one is permitted to own... but it is not all that practical.

In today's environment of governments and political establishments it is unlikely that a real revolution against an overbearing government would play out in the same context as something along the lines of what the founders envisioned. Gearing up for something like this simply suggests violent outcome, with the tables being tilted so far in favor of government over the people instead of government of the people.

All that said, there is a consorted effort by our government specifically to render the populace as without basic rights and voice as possible. Both left and right establishments have a history of trying to make political opposition both silent and subject to their majority will. And both left and right establishments do what they can to ensure government power in a manner inconsistent with Constitutional thinking.

It does not surprise me that people to gear up for such an occasion, but it would surprise me to see the assumption made that our government could be overrun by some minority force operating and using weapons within the confines of current regulations and standards.
 
My government will never be fought because it will always follow the Constitution. Once a government abandons the Constitution, they are no longer my government, your government, or our government.

We 'gear up' to preserve and protect the Country and Constitution, not to overthrow a government we dont like or dont agree with.
 
Cardinal said:
If you have a knife, they have a gun. If you get a semiautomatic, they have a flamethrower. If you get a rocket launcher, they have a tank. If you get an anti-tank missile, they'll flatten your ass with a cruise missile. It's not an arms race you're really going to win.
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Who are 'they'?

See...I think thats the argument that always gets posed and as an argument, it is flawed. The state militias are citizen soldiers controlled by the Governors. The US military are servicemen and women sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution. There should never be a situation where those entities should ever come into conflict.
 
VanceMack said:
My government will never be fought because it will always follow the Constitution. Once a government abandons the Constitution, they are no longer my government, your government, or our government.

We 'gear up' to preserve and protect the Country and Constitution, not to overthrow a government we dont like or dont agree with.
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I don't think you realize just how ****ing hilarious that is.
 
Ntharotep said:
There were some of our forefathers who believed in the American People having weapons in case the Government ever got so corrupt that we needed to "fight back".
I don't think they planned on tanks, ballistics above and beyond canons, etc.

So. What are the thoughts on this? Should a person be allowed to "stockpile" weapons (legal ones) in case of Revolution or no?
If you think they should be able to stockpile weapons that aren't legal then tell us about that too!

And...Debate!
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I think it is both OK and reccommended to gear up in the current environment. Our Corporatism and Militarized Police Agencies are a genuine threat to our livelihoods at this time. I'm not a fan of the morons occupying Federal lands out west, nor of their rogue militarists natures. It always goes back to the oft quoted, " those willing to give up liberty for security " deserve neither.
 
One person's "gearing up" and "stockpiling" is another's being prepared and collecting. ;)
 
Ntharotep said:
There were some of our forefathers who believed in the American People having weapons in case the Government ever got so corrupt that we needed to "fight back".
I don't think they planned on tanks, ballistics above and beyond canons, etc.

So. What are the thoughts on this? Should a person be allowed to "stockpile" weapons (legal ones) in case of Revolution or no?
If you think they should be able to stockpile weapons that aren't legal then tell us about that too!

And...Debate!
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Many of us already have. All Legal weapons and ammo. Not just for defending one's self against the government but for many different possible scenarios.
 
I think its a very expensive delusion to arm up in case you need to fight the government. I actually kind of feel sorry for people that actually think they need to be armed against the government. I mean here you are lucky enough to be born in what is arguable one of the greatest countries in the history of civilization. You should be happy and live your life to the fullest rather than be preoccupied with delusions about having to fight against some tyrannical government.

Anyway, makes me think of this old Onion article:

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NORFOLK, VA—According to numerous reports, local 62-year-old Earl Bailey, who owns a shotgun and several boxes of ammunition, is currently the last bastion of defense between the United States of America and the federal government’s plot of a full-scale takeover.Bailey, a recent retiree and a proud advocate of gun rights, has been confirmed by multiple sources as being a true patriot, and is, at present, the only person capable of preventing top-secret forces within the government from striking and forcefully coercing hundreds of millions of Americans to submit to a fascist and brutal New World Order.
Since the early 1990s, sources estimated the gun owner has staved off innumerable large-scale government threats, all from the center of his 12-acre ranch.
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62-Year-Old With Gun Only One Standing Between Nation And Full-Scale Government Takeover - The Onion - America's Finest News Source
 
I think it is ok if you do it with the right mindset. If you do it as a form of insurance, hoping you never have to use it, fine. If you do it eager for the revolution to come then I probably don't want to live near you.

Many people say there is no point because the US military will always be better armed. People who think that haven't been paying attention. A moderately armed insurgent force can make victory for a superior occupying force so costly it isn't worth it for the superior force.
 
Ntharotep said:
There were some of our forefathers who believed in the American People having weapons in case the Government ever got so corrupt that we needed to "fight back".
I don't think they planned on tanks, ballistics above and beyond canons, etc.

So. What are the thoughts on this? Should a person be allowed to "stockpile" weapons (legal ones) in case of Revolution or no?
If you think they should be able to stockpile weapons that aren't legal then tell us about that too!

And...Debate!
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It depends on when that "stockpiled" weaponry becomes illegal and what, if anything, the government actually intends to do about it. I could see armed resistance to a government that declared one's perfectly legally purchased arms (with say 15 round magazines) to be subject to forced confiscation and felony charges for merely possessing them to cause such resistance. I do not consider that a likely event in the least, because government agents (who are simply folks like us) would likely not abide by such orders, but who knows what "could" happen.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I think its a very expensive delusion to arm up in case you need to fight the government. I actually kind of feel sorry for people that actually think they need to be armed against the government. I mean here you are lucky enough to be born in what is arguable one of the greatest countries in the history of civilization. You should be happy and live your life to the fullest rather than be preoccupied with delusions about having to fight against some tyrannical government.

Anyway, makes me think of this old Onion article:

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62-Year-Old With Gun Only One Standing Between Nation And Full-Scale Government Takeover - The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/FONT]
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Absolutely, as proof of that simply note that we have never had a ciivil war in this country. Oh, wait...
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Absolutely, as proof of that simply note that we have never had a ciivil war in this country. Oh, wait...
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Well I am sure that if someone wants to re-institute the system of chattel slavery, they had better arm themselves up.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Well I am sure that if someone wants to re-institute the system of chattel slavery, they had better arm themselves up.
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More likely to occur in the unlikely event of Australian style federal gun control.
 
Ntharotep said:
There were some of our forefathers who believed in the American People having weapons in case the Government ever got so corrupt that we needed to "fight back". I don't think they planned on tanks, ballistics above and beyond canons, etc. So. What are the thoughts on this? Should a person be allowed to "stockpile" weapons (legal ones) in case of Revolution or no? If you think they should be able to stockpile weapons that aren't legal then tell us about that too! And...Debate!
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Corrupt might be incorrect- there have been corruption scandals since the forefathers signed the Declaration of Independence. Perhaps a better trigger would be when the government passes new sedition acts. But I get the gist.

Stockpile away, if nothing else the second mouse will think it's Christmas. ;)

Seriously I'd remind stockpilers a pile of weapons is mighty tempting, and a few 'collectors' have had their houses robbed, they and their families have been attacked, and other unfortunate events. Those stockpiling to prep for battle with the gubmint tend to be a tad vocal about their feelings and actions. That might end up with the home invader not being from the dreaded gubmint...

I struggle with the logic behind stock piling weapons- I know it is the stuff of novels and movies but I'd opine if the other 'patriots' show up without at least a capable weapon (combat training would be great) then just handing them a weapon doesn't make them effective. For that matter what's to say that 'patriot' doesn't turn on you while you sleep or just fades away one night with whatever he/she can carry?

I'd suggest forming a sporting club with fellow travelers, better to have a few men who know their weapon like an old lover than a few dozen not sure which end goes forward...

Justa thought... :peace
 
VanceMack said:
My government will never be fought because it will always follow the Constitution. Once a government abandons the Constitution, they are no longer my government, your government, or our government.

We 'gear up' to preserve and protect the Country and Constitution, not to overthrow a government we dont like or dont agree with.
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... or course, the fallacy in this statement is the concept of "abandoning the Constitution", which seems to be in the eye of the beholder.

Some people would argue that Constitution has been abandoned because the government has done things inconsistent with their individual understanding and view of the Constitution. Are those persons now "at war"..... Other people, of course, think the first group is nuts.

yes, its ok to gear up. It is your right. However, I fall in the camp of those that think gearing up to fight the US Military is nuts as is thinking the US Government is out to get you is nuts.... you know, up there with thinking that when football players huddle up, they are talking about YOU.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
More likely to occur in the unlikely event of Australian style federal gun control.
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I was actually thinking of the Revolution as opposed to the Civil War. Not that taxation without fair representation would ever happen in the modern...oh....

Not that I would want to see a Civil War/Revolution (I hope it never happens in my lifetime or the lifetime of anyone in my family...)
 
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