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Is it Ok to "Gear Up" in Case Your Government Need to be Fought Against?

Is it Ok to "Gear Up" in Case You Need to Fight Your Government?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 43 69.4%

  • No.

    Votes: 8 12.9%

  • It depends on...(Explain).

    Votes: 11 17.7%

  • My Government coul NEVER be corrupt...or other silliness.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    62
haymarket said:
That is very very easy to say for someone living in the 21st century who is removed from the realities of that situation as well as the denial of ones liberty and equality. It is easy to demand that others pay the high price and then bemoan the fact that they had to do so while sparing ourselves from a similar sacrifice.
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Those hypocrites as you say, created a system that allowed open talk about freedoms and equality, and without fear of the King or his governors throwing people in jail.

Those hypocrites fostered a long going debate that eventually the country about 600,000 lives.

Imagine that......who would of thought that a bunch of white boys could come up with such a thing?

It may not have happened how you like it, but it came about regardless.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Those hypocrites as you say, created a system that allowed open talk about freedoms and equality, and without fear of the King or his governors throwing people in jail.

Those hypocrites fostered a long going debate that eventually the country about 600,000 lives.

Imagine that......who would of thought that a bunch of white boys could come up with such a thing?

It may not have happened how you like it, but it came about regardless.
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yup - almost a century later OTHE PEOPLE got around to it and it cost over a half million lives to do it. And that in no way shape or form negates the reality that the fancy high sounding pronouncements of the Founders in the Declaration were obvious lies the moment the ink was on the parchment in 1776. They no more believed in the crap they were writing than they did there were blue flame monkeys on Uranus.
 
haymarket said:
yup - almost a century later OTHE PEOPLE got around to it and it cost over a half million lives to do it. And that in no way shape or form negates the reality that the fancy high sounding pronouncements of the Founders in the Declaration were obvious lies the moment the ink was on the parchment in 1776. They no more believed in the crap they were writing than they did there were blue flame monkeys on Uranus.
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The 17 days that they debated on this issue proves you wrong again.
 
RetiredUSN said:
Hindsight is almost always perfect isn't it. They were men of their times. Although not a perfect bunch overall, more than half of them argued against slavery from the beginning. They were smart enough to form a union first, and continue to argue the slavery issue.

You cast too wide a blanket over them
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Good points. The most pressing need of a weak, newly born United States was to defend itself against powerful foreign threats. If forming a united front against those threats meant making ugly and distasteful compromises about slavery, then they must be made. National survival came first.
 
RetiredUSN said:
The 17 days that they debated on this issue proves you wrong again.
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What part of don't listen to hollow words but instead focus on actions seems to so confuse and befuddle you?
 
haymarket said:
What part of don't listen to hollow words but instead focus on actions seems to so confuse and befuddle you?
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Not befuddled in the least. I have a opinion based on years of study. You have a opinion based on your experience and study.

I say that the slavery issue was put off until the union could organize.

You say that it was hypocritical, and I get it.

From looking at some of your other posts, I would consider you to be consistent in your views, and I appreciate that.

I still believe that they did the right thing at the time, even if the wording didn't match the intentions.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Probably not. But as is the favorite gun-nut talking point goes "if they really want a gun, they'll get a gun".

Regardless, my original point stands.
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Than the dictator isn't a dictator. Part of being a dictator is keeping your people terrified of disobedience.
 
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