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Should motorcycles be banned?

Motorcycles should be.

  • Banned

    Votes: 7 7.2%

  • Allowed only for Law Enforcement

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Much more strongly regulated

    Votes: 5 5.2%

  • Left as they are

    Votes: 85 87.6%
  • Total voters
    97
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Just basic statistics.

 
SCitizen said:
Just basic statistics.

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NO.

I personally have no interest in motorcycles. I prefer the (relative) safety and weatherproofing of an enclosed car.

However, I have several friends and acquaintances who love their motorcycles. They CHOOSE to own and ride them, despite any risks.

I am all for free choice. I am against Nanny-Statism which insists that people must be protected from themselves.
 
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No, they are not ever going to ban motorcycles. I don't ride anymore, but did ride for 50 years.

It is obvious riding a motorcycle you won't fare better than someone inside a moving metal cage. Just as pedestrians don't do well in a collision with cars.

Perhaps we need to ban the culprit in these deaths----------cars.
 
Captain Adverse said:
NO.

I personally have no interest in motorcycles. I prefer the (relative) safety and weatherproofing of an enclosed car.

However, I have several friends and acquaintances who love their motorcycles. They CHOOSE to own and ride them, despite any risks.

I am all for free choice. I am against Nanny-Statism which insists that people must be protected from themselves.
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I am not sure that self harm and effectively suicide is a right.
 
SCitizen said:
Just basic statistics.

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No, what is wrong with just letting individuals weigh and assume risks with regard to living their lives. This goes for a whole host of things... pretty much an endless list.
 
The only vehicles that should be banned are the ones designed to kill other people in large numbers at a time, or if left unattended near children.
 
SCitizen said:
I am not sure that self harm and effectively suicide is a right.
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Well, for the most part the state can't stop people from exercising it so despite laws against it it pretty much is an innate right.
 
Winchester said:
No, what is wrong with just letting individuals weigh and assume risks with regard to living their lives. This goes for a whole host of things... pretty much an endless list.
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I believe dangerous things like drugs, tobacco, motorcycles should be illegal.
 
No. Banning more fuel and space efficient vehicles to save lives may backfire. There are old bikers and there are bold bikers but there are few old, bold bikers. I rode motorcycles for over 40 years, was in six "accidents", broke bones in 4 out 6 and yet was never found to be at fault. The good news about those MC fatalities is that they rarely claim any other folk's lives. If a car runs into and kills a MC rider then the resulting fatality counts against the dead MC rider - I just love those honest statistics. ;)
 
SCitizen said:
I believe dangerous things like drugs, tobacco, motorcycles should be illegal.
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Yeah doesn't surprise me, pretty much human nature to want to try and get others to conform to their personal ideals... we all have an authoritarian streak. It's always done under the guise of protecting others from themselves or to try and impose one's moral beliefs on others. I really wish human nature ran more along the lines of live and let live.
 
Personal choices have consequences. I'm ok with it so long as it is a choice and the dangers aren't hidden. I don't think either is the case.
 
SCitizen said:
I am not sure that self harm and effectively suicide is a right.
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Really? Then you haven't read my posts on suicide, which I do think is a right.

But your statement is a straw man fallacy. Might as well argue for a ban on automobiles since they are also "unsafe."

Almost anything a person does can involve safety issues. As long as they are aware of the risks, they should retain the right to choose whether or not to accept them.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Have another drink - alcohol kills more than all three combined. ;)
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Hell, after reading the gonorrhea thread we ought to require licenses for people wanting to have sex. You must get regularly tested, have a current STD free license and can only enter into liaisons with another card carrying member on the approved list. All activity should be rigorously monitored and people engaging in risky behavior or spreading STDs ought to be severely punished... for their own good of course. Besides I'm pretty sure having sex isn't a right. ;)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Have another drink - alcohol kills more than all three combined. ;)
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Probably it should be made much more expensive -- the sin tax on alcohol is already very high.
 
SCitizen said:
I believe dangerous things like drugs, tobacco, motorcycles should be illegal.
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I believe this is a solid, conservative ideology.
And I believe I'm glad you don't have authority to make it so.
 
SCitizen said:
Probably it should be made much more expensive -- the sin tax on alcohol is already very high.
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And of course there are never any unintended consequences of imposing such legislation.
 
Henrin said:
Absolutely. Ending your own life is a human right.
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I am Jewish -- like 80% of Americans who are Christian I do not believe that a person can end their existence by suicide. Most Americans believe that suicide is a road to eternal suffering.
 
Why would we want to ban them? They thin the herd for us.

I just wish they would make the God Damned things as quiet as cars. The nose is ridiculous.
 
SCitizen said:
I am Jewish -- like 80% of Americans who are Christian I do not believe that a person can end their existence by suicide. Most Americans believe that suicide is a road to eternal suffering.
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Well, I don't believe in the notion of sins, but I think it's perfectly reasonable to say that someone should be permitted to have control over when they leave this earth.
 
SCitizen said:
I am Jewish -- like 80% of Americans who are Christian I do not believe that a person can end their existence by suicide. Most Americans believe that suicide is a road to eternal suffering.
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Well then why can't the 20% who don't believe suicide is a road to eternal suffering do what they want?
 
SCitizen said:
I believe dangerous things like drugs, tobacco, motorcycles should be illegal.
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Why don't we just have the government screen everything you are thinking about doing in your life to see if it passes their standards of acceptable risk? Maybe because the idea is absolutely insane and leaves the people with no freedoms to speak of. If you are going to promote the idea that people should be free to live their lives as they see fit then you have to allow them to put their life and safety at risk.
 
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