Should motorcycles be banned?

I don't think so. I mean it's human nature to stay alive so I think that if we just inform people more then we will have less of these type of accidents.

Fledermaus said:

Wow. Effectively a ban via bucks.

People's Republic of California hadn't gotten that bad.... Yet.

I still have my XV920RH from 1981. Need to work on carbs.

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Yup and it also effectively dropped the value of any sport bike you owned.
All because bikes are percieved in a negative light.
Another bit of harm loud pipes cause to all riders.

Fledermaus said:

Back in 2003 I took to the track with a 1981 XV920R (Eurosport model of Virago). Oldest model at the track......

Ducati's aplenty there. One the warmup laps a couple of guys overcooked the third corner and $80,000 worth of Ducatis departed controlled flight at that point.... Weekend Warrior Syndrome also afflicts the sport bike crowd.

My 20 year old clunker survived two days at the track and it was a BLAST..... Even passed a Hayabusa in the corners (rider was beyond novice and got 86ed later)

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At least the XV920 had chain drive - I had a 1981 XV750 and its shaft drive caused some very "special" things to happen when changing speed in a corner.

ttwtt78640 said:

At least the XV920 had chain drive - I had a 1981 XV750 and its shaft drive caused some very "special" things to happen when changing speed in a corner.

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1981 xv750 models were so popular most were presold. Many Yamaha dealerships didn't have any on the showroom floor.

The 920R models tanked. You could get a new 1981 920R in 1984 for $1800 out the door in the Bay Area.

That is less than the 550 and 650 models sold for.

Fledermaus said:

1981 xv750 models were so popular most were presold. Many Yamaha dealerships didn't have any on the showroom floor.

The 920R models tanked. You could get a new 1981 920R in 1984 for $1800 out the door in the Bay Area.

That is less than the 550 and 650 models sold for.

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I was easily able to sell it (to an Air Force member returning to WA) after I moved to Guam. I had no use for a cruiser bike on a small island (about 30 by 6 miles). I bought an FJ600 which was much more fun to ride on those boonies (jungle) back roads available to me.

Ikari said:

Should be? I'm not sure. If something can be raised to the level of causing harm to others, it should be illegal. There could likely be certain noise ordinances, so that if one did have a noisy bike they couldn't do laps around someone's house at 3 AM (though this will count for parties and other sources of noise). In absolute general though, if it doesn't rise to the level of harm to others? Maybe not so much.

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You are not sure if motorcycles should have audible muffler devices? So they should be allowed to produce 100db if they want to?

Is there any db level that should be made illegal?

And what about other vehicles? Should they be allowed to produce as much noise as they wish...or are you treating them differently?

ttwtt78640 said:

I was easily able to sell it (to an Air Force member returning to WA) after I moved to Guam. I had no use for a cruiser bike on a small island (about 30 by 6 miles). I bought an FJ600 which was much more fun to ride on those boonies (jungle) back roads available to me.

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Nice... Triple disks. K&N and aftermarket pipe.

Wife owned the FJ600's big brother. FJ1100. Pretty much the same mods.

She and I are on the tall side. So the FJ fit us well.

ttwtt78640 said:

I was easily able to sell it (to an Air Force member returning to WA) after I moved to Guam. I had no use for a cruiser bike on a small island (about 30 by 6 miles). I bought an FJ600 which was much more fun to ride on those boonies (jungle) back roads available to me.

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Basially the same as my KZ, aircooled inline 4 with cradle frame. Pretty undestructibe those motors. Not the fastest things but enough oomph to have fun.

DA60 said:

You are not sure if motorcycles should have audible muffler devices? So they should be allowed to produce 100db if they want to?

Is there any db level that should be made illegal?

And what about other vehicles? Should they be allowed to produce as much noise as they wish...or are you treating them differently?

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I already gave you examples of when it should be illegal.

Dragonfly said:

Can you please justify why on Earth a 14 year old should be allowed to get a motorcycle license???
Two years before he/she could get a license to drive a car?

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For transportation?

Ikari said:

I already gave you examples of when it should be illegal.

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You did not answer my questions before, which is why I asked them.

No offense, but people that hesitate to answer simple questions usually don't because they feel if will put their position in an unfavorable light.


Simple question...do you think there should be a db limit on cars/trucks? Yes or no?

FreedomFromAll said:

For transportation?

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14 is far to young to be operating a motor vehicle on public roads.

Based on the rampant immaturity of so many kids I see today, I'd think there's justification for raising the legal driving age, not decreasing it.

DA60 said:

You did not answer my questions before, which is why I asked them.

No offense, but people that hesitate to answer simple questions usually don't because they feel if will put their position in an unfavorable light.


Simple question...do you think there should be a db limit on cars/trucks? Yes or no?

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And as I said, if it causes no harm then generally no. I'm not sure what more you wanted. Maybe read what I write and go from there instead of pretending the question wasn't answered.

DA60 said:

You did not answer my questions before, which is why I asked them.

No offense, but people that hesitate to answer simple questions usually don't because they feel if will put their position in an unfavorable light.


Simple question...do you think there should be a db limit on cars/trucks? Yes or no?

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How about a limit on those base speakers that make other cars vibrate while stopped at a traffic light?

Those are just as annoying as the motorcyclist who loves to open up his loud pipes on a suburban street.

Fledermaus said:

Southern California...

What public transportation?

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San Diego has a pretty extensive public transportation system. Better than many places in this country actually. Now, here in Raleigh, crappy public transportation system that takes far too long to travel anywhere on and reaches far too few places to be effective or efficient.

roguenuke said:

San Diego has a pretty extensive public transportation system. Better than many places in this country actually. Now, here in Raleigh, crappy public transportation system that takes far too long to travel anywhere on and reaches far too few places to be effective or efficient.

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San Diego is OK within its City. As is San Francisco. Once you get to the burbs and the rural areas it downright sucks.

Ikari said:

And as I said, if it causes no harm then generally no. I'm not sure what more you wanted. Maybe read what I write and go from there instead of pretending the question wasn't answered.

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Isn't "harm" a relative term? And what constitutes "disturbing the peace"?

Fledermaus said:

San Diego is OK within its City. As is San Francisco. Once you get to the burbs and the rural areas it downright sucks.

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Compared to where though? NYC? Somewhere in Europe? I've lived near Seattle (Bremerton and Everette), near Charleston, SC, on Oahu, in Raleigh and other places in NC, in Saratoga Springs, NY, as well as San Diego, and visited many other places throughout the US and even in other countries. There are a lot of things that go into how well and far a public transit system works. San Diego is one of the few of those that operates pretty well. I'd put it within the top three of where I've lived (with Seattle being on top mainly because even Bremerton (Kitsap county) has pretty damn good transit, with a lot of access and area covered, and most of the area within about 3-4 counties is almost completely transversible through some means of public transportation, whether by bus, ferry, or rail). Many of the other major metropolitan areas I've lived in or visited have decent transportation within their city limits but don't go that far out from there. Raleigh, or at least its vast suburbs (where I live now) doesn't even have a lot of crosswalks and/or sidewalks once you get out of absolute downtown. I could get almost anywhere by transit or a very short walk within San Diego, given enough time, when I lived there, and it didn't have to be a lot of time. There were some areas that were lacking, but they weren't that widespread, comparatively. The South, from my experience is the most lacking area of our country when it comes to needed public transportation (granted I have very little experience with the midwest or Rocky mountain areas, which likely have even worse effective transportation given their vast stretches of rural and uninhabited land areas).

DA60 said:

You did not answer my questions before, which is why I asked them.

No offense, but people that hesitate to answer simple questions usually don't because they feel if will put their position in an unfavorable light.


Simple question...do you think there should be a db limit on cars/trucks? Yes or no?

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Of course ! Even as I may not like it ..its a different world today , few would gripe about the motorcycle noise 500 years ago .. even a century ago ..
And, I, for one, care not an iota, as to how others feel about my position ...or my rickety English ..

Dragonfly said:

14 is far to young to be operating a motor vehicle on public roads.

Based on the rampant immaturity of so many kids I see today, I'd think there's justification for raising the legal driving age, not decreasing it.

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Well if they can pass a test, then they should drive legally.

FreedomFromAll said:

Well if they can pass a test, then they should drive legally.

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Their brains aren't fully formed yet. If you've ever dealt with kids in the 8th. and 9th. grades, you will know you don't want to share the road with them regardless of what sort of a test they can pass.

Dittohead not! said:

Their brains aren't fully formed yet. If you've ever dealt with kids in the 8th. and 9th. grades, you will know you don't want to share the road with them regardless of what sort of a test they can pass.

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Not all kids are the same as the ones you know apparently.

SCitizen said:

I am not sure that self harm and effectively suicide is a right.

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How in the hell does riding a motorcycle affect the safety or rights of my fellow citizens SCitizen ? Should we outlaw anything that can cause a death whether it be deliberate or accidental such as sky diving, scuba diving, car racing, flying, hang gliding, parasailing, mountain climbing, window washing highrises.....OMG....please...think about how absurd you comment is. Should we require our homes have 6 inch padded walls throughout too...... so we don't hurt ourselves ? How about riding bicycles?? Sounds like you might just be one of those jealous car drivers that doesn't like the fact motorcycles can split traffic legally when you are stuck in rush hour mayhem........hmmmmmmm.......... Ive met some that are and it isn't acceptable....... Motorcycles are here to stay, they reduce hydrocarbons, congestion and have less of an impact on our planet...... Maybe we should make cars and trucks illegal instead ( smiling )........