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Does Trump really believe that he says?

Mason66 said:
It is good there is no poll in this thread.

it would only have one vote as only Donald Trump knows if he really believes what he says.
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Yes that is true but still it seem a bit inconsistent do believe that muslim fundamentalism and terrorism is a sutch big threat that every muslim should be banned from USA, that at the same time Donald Trump want to do busines in Saudi Arabia.
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Yes that is true but still it seem a bit inconsistent do believe that muslim fundamentalism and terrorism is a sutch big threat that every muslim should be banned from USA, that at the same time Donald Trump want to do busines in Saudi Arabia.
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Based on the infrequency of Islamic terrorism in the USA since 9/11/2001 it does not strike me as a major statistical concern.

Certainly not as frequent as black on white or black on black crimes everywhere.

I recently spotted a hoodie zigzagging through our grocery parking lot whom I had to deal with.

I have never had to deal with any Islamic extremists anywhere.

Of course the 14 dead and 19 wounded in San Bernardino cannot say the same thing.

Best is just to be vigilant (like Trump says) and prepared for all kinds of crime by being armed (like Trump says).

There's a lot of sense in what Trump says.

It is certainly food for thought.
 
WCH said:
From 8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens

(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President

Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.
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Wow !!

That's pretty good homework !!
 
Bergslagstroll said:
Does Trump really believe that he says? For exampel on one hand he says that the threath from muslim fundamentalist is so great so over one billion muslims should be banned from entering USA. On the other hand he has no problem with doing business with Saudi Arabia.

EXCLUSIVE: Trump eyes UAE, KSA and Qatar hotels | HotelierMiddleEast.com


Even if Saudi Arabia is one of the worlds most fundamentalist countries in the world that sentence bloggers to 1 000 lashes for critizing the religious police. That at the same time Saudi Arabia is one of the worlds biggest sponsors of terrorism and fundamentalism.

Links from both the right and the left:

Terrorist Sponsors: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, China | Cato Institute

To really combat terror, end support for Saudi Arabia | Owen Jones | Opinion | The Guardian
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And how would anyone other than Trump himself know what he believes, eh?

Stupid question makes no sense.
 
Ancient Herald said:
If you want to know for certain, this is an excellent place to check his claims:

http://www.factcheck.org/
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Hardly. Factcheck.org is owned by the Annenberg Public Policy Center, a division of the Socialist Progressive Annenberg Foundation.

Much like PolitiFact, owned by the Socialist Progressive Tampa Bay Times/Poynter Institute, these sites are designed to hide bias inside propaganda, with an objective to add legitimacy to topics their followers are too lazy to confirm for themselves.

Would you turn to an outfit owned by the RNC to determine if what President Obama, Hilary, or Sanders said was true? Would you post links to a "fact check" operation funded by the Koch Brothers?
 
PoS said:
But his supporters sure do. ;)
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Trump is a legand in his own mind who believes his own press.

There is no room for him and his ego in any arena.
 
It's a prerequisite for a politician to be able to make a difference between what he really thinks, what his target demographic thinks and what and how he should say to have the largest resonance.

My impression is that Trump is a person who'd say almost anything, as long as that brings him resonance and sympathies among those he wants to target with his speeches. And he feels bad publicity is powerful publicity. I could be wrong, but I think most of his attacks are well calculated.
 
Does Trump really believe that he says? For exampel on one hand he says that the threath from muslim fundamentalist is so great so over one billion muslims should be banned from entering USA. On the other hand he has no problem with doing business with Saudi Arabia.
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What does one have to do with the other? Trump has a bunch of Muslim friends. How is that relevant to keeping Muslims from entering this country until the Obama regime gets its head out of its ass?

Even if Saudi Arabia is one of the worlds most fundamentalist countries in the world that sentence bloggers to 1 000 lashes for critizing the religious police. That at the same time Saudi Arabia is one of the worlds biggest sponsors of terrorism and fundamentalism.
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And that relates to Trump believing what he says HOW? He also is calling for Saudi Arabia to PAY US for protecting their oil fields. As I recall both Democrat and Republican presidents have spent trillions of taxpayer dollars on doing that for one of the most fundamentalist countries in the world.
 
SMTA said:
Trump is a legand in his own mind who believes his own press.

There is no room for him and his ego in any arena.
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Excuse me but Trump IS a legend. The drive by media is following him around like bitches in heat. Most of America agrees with him. There is no room for his opponents in any arena, (although Ted Cruz would be welcome.)
 
reason10 said:
Excuse me but Trump IS a legend. The drive by media is following him around like bitches in heat. Most of America agrees with him. There is no room for his opponents in any arena, (although Ted Cruz would be welcome.)
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The media follow him around because his obtuse and moronic statements sell press.

He is a reality TV moron who filed corporate bankruptcy on a regular basis, and is ****ing stupid.

His bluster, bullying and bull**** will run its course, and Paris Hilton will come back on everyone's radar.

You are excused.
 
WCH said:
I had help. ;)
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I would need help if that thing about lashes for sparkling wine ever came in here.:shock:

Trump appears to be a total zebedee in many ways, but we only see headlines here and are not exposed to in depth trumping. I am sure it is out of context and exaggerated to sell a story.

However, he does seem to be a lateral thinker. Perhaps he does believe in accountability.

There has not really been a way of exerting real accountability, how can that be done if someone is willing to blow himself up?

It's one thing that terrorist extremists are not supported by the general Muslim community. It's another if you find your entire community being held accountable for the acts of these extremists, you might then consider it wholly more urgent to act against the extremist if it is brought home as urgently your problem and not something that is happening to somebody else.... it might be imperative that you actively seek ways to ensure something is done about it.

Not that I am saying such people have the support of the wider community, but making it "your problem" is the oldest way in the book to make people sit up and pay attention.
 
Careful study of his past says "no". Trump takes whatever position is to his advantage at the moment. If elected President, it wouldn't shock me to see him nominate Hillary Clinton to the US Supreme Court.
 
The Clintons and Trumps will be going to Church, sometimes twice, on Sunday during the campaign.

When they all talk about God, they are liars.

Only the easily duped believe Obama when he claims to be a Christian.

They are too intelligent to believe in Christian baloney, Leprechauns, Easter Bunny, etc. But also too intelligent to admit it to the public.
 
The media follow him around because his obtuse and moronic statements sell press.
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Nope. That's the reason the media follows Barak Hussein around. He is the DUMBEST president in history.
He is a reality TV moron who filed corporate bankruptcy on a regular basis, and is ****ing stupid.
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All that is a ****ing LIE.
His bluster, bullying and bull**** will run its course, and Paris Hilton will come back on everyone's radar.
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Paris Hilton is Margaret Thatcher, compared to the HILDEBITCH.

And Trump is going to be the next president. Looks like you'll have to get a job now.
 
reason10 said:
What does one have to do with the other? Trump has a bunch of Muslim friends. How is that relevant to keeping Muslims from entering this country until the Obama regime gets its head out of its ass?

And that relates to Trump believing what he says HOW? He also is calling for Saudi Arabia to PAY US for protecting their oil fields. As I recall both Democrat and Republican presidents have spent trillions of taxpayer dollars on doing that for one of the most fundamentalist countries in the world.
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Isn't it strangeis that one hand Trump says that he has alot of muslims friends. On the other hand he doesn't want non American muslims to visit their friends and families in USA.

On the one hand Trump as a politician want to hurt American companies doing business with muslim countries including companies that only do to business with moderate muslim countries, by banning all non American muslim from visiting USA. On the other hand has a businessman he wants to do business in Saudi Arabia one of the worlds biggest sponsors of terrorism and fundemantalism.

On the one hand as a politican Trump want to expel all illegal immigrants from USA. On the other hand as a businessman he can't or won't stop illegal immigrants from working in his companies.

On the one hand as a politican Trump bashes companies that invest overseas and outsourcing jobs. On the other hand as a businessman he gladly invest overseas and outsourcing jobs.

Forbes Welcome

Also if Trump believes all the thing he says how will he accomplish it?

For example banning all muslims from entering USA. Will he try to force all the countries in the world to register their muslim population and put a M in muslims passports? Because that is totally unrealistic especially since many still remembers the horrors of Nazi Germany. Or will he implement a new bureaucratic vetting process for all foreing visitors to find out if they are muslims or not? That will hurt American business and tourism by making it harder to visit USA.
 
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Bergslagstroll said:
Does Trump really believe that he says? For exampel on one hand he says that the threath from muslim fundamentalist is so great so over one billion muslims should be banned from entering USA. On the other hand he has no problem with doing business with Saudi Arabia.

EXCLUSIVE: Trump eyes UAE, KSA and Qatar hotels | HotelierMiddleEast.com


Even if Saudi Arabia is one of the worlds most fundamentalist countries in the world that sentence bloggers to 1 000 lashes for critizing the religious police. That at the same time Saudi Arabia is one of the worlds biggest sponsors of terrorism and fundamentalism.

Links from both the right and the left:

Terrorist Sponsors: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, China | Cato Institute

To really combat terror, end support for Saudi Arabia | Owen Jones | Opinion | The Guardian
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You might be surprised to know that, as far as lying goes, Mr. Trump is not the #1 liar in the current field of political liars. They are all liars. Some worse than others. Here is the tally..... (Not that truth matters to some people.......)

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/opinion/campaign-stops/all-politicians-lie-some-lie-more-than-others.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&region=CColumn&module=MostViewed&version=Full&src=mv&WT.nav=MostViewed&_r=0
 
Captain America said:
You might be surprised to know that, as far as lying goes, Mr. Trump is not the #1 liar in the current field of political liars. They are all liars. Some worse than others. Here is the tally..... (Not that truth matters to some people.......)
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Well, you have to give credit where it's due and although Trump lags Carson and is only #2 for the largest percentage of false statements, he leads the Pants on Fire category by a WIDE margin! And according to this analysis the GOP captures all 10 of the to 10! Way to go GOP. :bravo:

Maybe if Joe Biden puts in a little effort he'll move up into the ranks of the truly professional liars before he leaves office...
 
Politically he is a genius. What can we take from history? In the past we see when there is a scared and/or confused population, the concept of blaming and spawning controversies gets people on your side. The GOP "establishment" may not be doing it, but its front runner is. This is ultimately politics and look at what this controversy has done: Trump is literally getting free advertising because every major news network be it liberal or conservative is trying to expose him and this has kept the democratic side of the political race virtually out of the news entirely. Trump may be a radical and many in public denounce him but remember this Oscar Wilde quote, "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." If Trump receives the republican nomination, on election day the exit polls will be a farce. Many americans agree with Trump's beliefs and are afraid if they say that in public they will be condemned by their peers, who also possibly may agree with Trump, but give these men and women a "mask" at the polling booth and in anonymous polls and the results will be in his favor. Lastly, Let's take a look at Trump and his true intentions. Trump is a real estate executive and it's quite comical how people don't realize how he's using an age long technique. He has a set goal in his head and by setting the bar so high with his radical ideas the compromising can only bring it down to where he wanted it. We all know that he can't refuse all muslims and that he can't deport all 12 million illegals, but what he can do is shout that out so the american voters think he will(thus he gains support), and so that hypothetically in end he could deport 3 million immigrants and refuse all syrians. Just think about it. It may seem crazy at first but it makes sense later.
 
Captain America said:
You might be surprised to know that, as far as lying goes, Mr. Trump is not the #1 liar in the current field of political liars. They are all liars. Some worse than others. Here is the tally..... (Not that truth matters to some people.......)

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/o...ed&version=Full&src=mv&WT.nav=MostViewed&_r=0
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Yes but at the same time Donald Trumpis is on the top of the list. Also maybee it become even more sad that he don't believe his own divisive and hateful rethoric but only do it to get publicity.

Also that publicity can also be used by ISIS. In their propaganda they can now claim that moderat muslims was wrong about muslims being able to live in the western world because Americans now wants to ban all muslims from visiting USA. ISIS can also now claim that they are so dangereus and powerfull that they can make the worlds only superpower banning all muslims from entering USA.

Also fear is seldom rational and Trump makes fear even more irrational. That yes you have to finds means to fight and prevent islamic terrorist and they commit horrific acts like that one in Paris. But the same week as the atack and every week alot more people are killed by traffic accident in the western world. Also alot of them are alcohol related. But politican that would propose not so extre memeasures like for example breathalyser controled ignition start in every new car would be seen as out of touch alarmist by both the left and right. While Donald Trump that proposing crazy measuers like stoping all muslims from entering USA is leading the polls for the republican nomination.
 
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