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If the Dems has their own version of Trump...

If Dems had a Trump, would he being doing as well as The Donald?


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If the Dems has their own version of Trump, would he being doing as well as The Donald?

I heard a theory on the radio several days ago that I thought was intriging... Trump is only doing well because people are fed up with the status quo and here's a guy who has picked up a brick and is throwing that brick through the plate glass window of politics.

I can't shake this theory. I don't think it explains everything, but I think there's at least a kernel of truth in there. How many times do we have to hear candidates say they're different, then watch them go on to be just another politician?
 
So what is Sanders? Thought he was the anti-establishment candidate for the left.

How many Dems are leaning to Trump as it is?
 
I answered "no" because Democrats have their own issues with the difference between establishment candidates like Hillary, going up against real liberals like Sanders.

On paper Sanders is more like Elizabeth Warren, true representation of left leaning or modern liberal ideals. But, Sanders even with his success in forcing Hillary to make herself sound like a liberal and also somewhat putting up good polling numbers does not stand a chance against establishment support for Hillary.

That "status quo" mentality is exactly what left leaning voters will get with an aristocratic, political-insider, career politician, shady character, wealthy, and tied to Wall Street Hillary Clinton.

Sanders really is different outwardly saying he is a Democratic Socialist and even going so far as to sometimes reference European political tones. But I do not see the media giving him enough time to really eclipse Hillary in support among this pool of voters, and as such Hillary as an establishment candidate will end up winning the nod.
 
I answered "no" because Democrats have their own issues with the difference between establishment candidates like Hillary, going up against real liberals like Sanders.

On paper Sanders is more like Elizabeth Warren, true representation of left leaning or modern liberal ideals. But, Sanders even with his success in forcing Hillary to make herself sound like a liberal and also somewhat putting up good polling numbers does not stand a chance against establishment support for Hillary.

That "status quo" mentality is exactly what left leaning voters will get with an aristocratic, political-insider, career politician, shady character, wealthy, and tied to Wall Street Hillary Clinton.

Sanders really is different outwardly saying he is a Democratic Socialist and even going so far as to sometimes reference European political tones. But I do not see the media giving him enough time to really eclipse Hillary in support among this pool of voters, and as such Hillary as an establishment candidate will end up winning the nod.
Good answer. And I thought of mentioning Sanders, but he has been a long time politician himself, so either he's more part of the status quo than even he knows, OR this is an indictment of the overwhelming monstrosity of the system and how it has become too large for a single person to change.
 
Hyperliberal socialist Democrats have a completely different platform and agenda, so their "Trump" would be different in substance... but not in style. The Demos have Hillary, and she's about as close to a "Madame Defarge" as they're going to get....
 
Good answer. And I thought of mentioning Sanders, but he has been a long time politician himself, so either he's more part of the status quo than even he knows, OR this is an indictment of the overwhelming monstrosity of the system and how it has become too large for a single person to change.

He is a long term politician, but one that has somewhat evolved over the years. In a way marching further left the more he is up on the hill.

What this seems to come down to from my chair is the 2016 campaign is showing us something about the Democratic Party establishment. Perhaps in a way that the 2008 campaign sidestepped because of Bush 43, economic disaster, the status of ongoing conflicts and wars, etc.

I assumed back when Hillary announced that her path to the nod, and a general election win, boiled down to as little press time as possible to protect her as to then win on name, history, being a woman, and her time in Obama's administration.

Then Sanders showed up and for the most part has forced Hillary back into the networks for coverage, and also forced Hillary to brand herself as a liberal offering her own policies and directions I think the original campaign plan would have liked to avoid.

Sanders infinitely represents more counter to "status quo" than Hillary, which is interesting to consider when thinking about Obama vs. Hillary back in 2008. If anything, Obama represented something of a departure for Democrats far more than Hillary ever could either then or now. That lack of experience was something Hillary mentioned of Obama back in 2008, the "status quo" with Democratic establishment was tested.

Now, not so much. The goal is to do something not done in a very long time, back to back Democratic Presidents. We can only assume that establishment is doing all it can to ensure it happens, and they might get help from Republicans if they are to give Trump the nod. Sanders will not get the chance as a challenge to "status quo" in similar way Obama did, simply because of what is at stake in a general election this time around. That is more or less confirmed by the direction Congress has gone from 111th being all Democratic controlled in transition to the 114th being all Republican controlled. Odds are the 115th will be Republican as well assuming a few things, but the last thing Democrats need is a Republican President in 2016 as it would force them to do then what they did during the 109th Congress. Complain about Bush 43 and Republicans, until they won the 110th Congress.

Establishment for Democrats seems to be stepping in, perhaps as a means to ensure a historical moment. Going from a black President to a female President, we cannot rule that out even if Sanders is a better liberal (over Hillary, any other 2016 Democratic hopeful, Obama, Pelosi, Reed, and dozens of others up on the hill these days.)
 
Hyperliberal socialist Democrats have a completely different platform and agenda, so their "Trump" would be different in substance... but not in style. The Demos have Hillary, and she's about as close to a "Madame Defarge" as they're going to get....

"Hyperliberal socialist democrats?" That's a new one.
 
"Hyperliberal socialist democrats?" That's a new one.

It's a political development that has reached a pique during the Obama regime. What used to be a sane, more-or-less America-loving Left at home in the Democrat Party has become "radicalized" (to use this "newspeak" word we hear all the time now) and now isn't just "liberal" in the old sense -- no, today it is über-liberal, or, hyperliberal.

These people are "socialist", but in the sense of American socialism, which is not as dysfunctional and fiscally reckless as European socialism -- yet!

During the Obama years, many of them have grown used to the government giving them a subsistence existence, and they want government to pay for more and more of their endless needs and wants. Hyperliberal socialist Democrats, practicing a failed methodology that should have been left in the trash can, along with Communism.
 
If the Dems has their own version of Trump, would he being doing as well as The Donald?

I heard a theory on the radio several days ago that I thought was intriging... Trump is only doing well because people are fed up with the status quo and here's a guy who has picked up a brick and is throwing that brick through the plate glass window of politics.

I can't shake this theory. I don't think it explains everything, but I think there's at least a kernel of truth in there. How many times do we have to hear candidates say they're different, then watch them go on to be just another politician?

I would say that the answer to your question is currently sitting at about 30%.
 
Too abstract.

Need a name.
 
Not just no but hell no. We'd drum out a fool like that so fast it'd make his tail spin.
 
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