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Are blacks in America victims of discrimination?

Do you think blacks in America victims of discrimination?

  • No. Absolutely not.

    Votes: 3 3.8%

  • Yes. No question about it.

    Votes: 47 59.5%

  • Only in isolated cases but given disproportionate media attention.

    Votes: 18 22.8%

  • Yes but its their fault by the black culture create fear, dislike and a negative image.

    Votes: 8 10.1%

  • I'm honestly not sure.

    Votes: 3 3.8%

  • I don't have a dog in that fight. I don't care.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    79
mak2 said:
I was born and raised in a very white area. I know for absolutely sure racism exist. A couple of my friends own business and I know for a fact they intentionally avoid hiring minorities, or at least that is what they say.
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Yeah, and I've heard blacks talk about their disdain for Asians, especially Vietnamese. Usually the anger revolved around the idea that they got everything handed to them as refugees in the wake of the Vietnam War. Not saying their sentiments had merit. Just saying I've heard these feelings expressed.
 
Heinrich said:
No country comes close to racism in the USA. They even had a civil war over it for Pete's sake.
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How many black people do you see in Japan? When you're done looking at Japan, study what happened to white farmers in Zimbabwe.
 
Heinrich said:
No country comes close to racism in the USA. They even had a civil war over it for Pete's sake.
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Considering the fact that ethnic cleansing has been a worldwide issue pretty much debunks your argument. Further racism is quite rampant in europe africa asia etc, they however get much less attention and the world news seems to focus much on white on black racism, and ignores all other race on all other race racism.
 
Ahlevah said:
Yeah, and I've heard blacks talk about their disdain for Asians, especially Vietnamese. Usually the anger revolved around the idea that they got everything handed to them as refugees in the wake of the Vietnam War. Not saying their sentiments had merit. Just saying I've heard these feelings expressed.
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Never heard that. Most of the blacks I know hate Mexicans, primarily because Mexicans are taking over a lot of formerly black neighborhoods and Mexican gangs are targeting black people. The only time I have heard black people bitch about Asians, it's usually in reference to Indian and Korean shop owners who buy up stores in their neighborhoods and only hire people of their own race. Never heard of any resentment towards Viets in particular. How old are the people saying this?
 
Dragonfly said:
Discrimination exists. In all shapes and sizes.

It's basically human nature.

That which is different from you is to be feared, or at least viewed with great caution. Stranger danger as it were.

There will always be discrimination. Always.
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There is virtually no discrimination against Blacks in Britain or France so being "different" is not the problem. We have a culture of racism that goes back 100's of years that is passed from parent to child and that takes generations to finally break down. That's where our laws come into play.
 
beerftw said:
Considering the fact that ethnic cleansing has been a worldwide issue pretty much debunks your argument. Further racism is quite rampant in europe africa asia etc, they however get much less attention and the world news seems to focus much on white on black racism, and ignores all other race on all other race racism.
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You mean ethnic cleansing has been a Second or Third World issue but never in 1st tier countries. The U.S. has a far greater racism problem than any other 1st World country. Why do you think that is?

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foadi said:
Never heard that.
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I live near Biloxi, Mississippi, where we have a large number of blacks and Vietnamese. I haven't heard this recently, although I doubt the sentiments have changed much if at all. And I'd say it tended to be younger and middle-aged people, not the elderly.
 
Josie said:
Discrimination of all people (color, weight, class, appearance, abilities, etc.) is alive and well.
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Perhaps, but to what extent?
 
Heinrich said:
No country comes close to racism in the USA. They even had a civil war over it for Pete's sake.
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America is easily one of the least racist places in the world (the world is an extremely racist place) despite our very serious, racial problems, your opinion isn't founded in reality.

It's pretty funny to hear you spew that nonsense given you're from Spain.

Though, I imagine you just had to get your little anti-American jab in.
 
iguanaman said:
You mean ethnic cleansing has been a Second or Third World issue but never in 1st tier countries. The U.S. has a far greater racism problem than any other 1st World country. Why do you think that is?

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If you think america has a far greater issue with racism than any other first world country, you have most likely never left america, Try dealing with germans, even today there are quite a few nazi supporters despite bans on it, or you can simply look at the rest of europe, in almost oll thse countries a certain race or ethnic group holds power, yet other ethnic groups and races are discriminated against, yet it is not deemed racism, even though it clearly is.

The world has been racist ot's entire existence, and trying to whitewash everything but white on black existing in the us does not help your cause, it only makes you look less credible.
 
Smeagol said:
This includes but is not necessarily limited to:


  • Employment opportunities; hiring, severity of disciplinary actions taken by employers toward their black employees, compensation, promotions.
  • Social acceptance; welcomed into friendships, family's acceptance of interracial romantic relationships with blacks vs. orientals for example.
  • Willingness to use black owned professional services; doctor, lawyer, real estate agent, accountant, etc.
  • Greater likelihood of being treated abusively by law enforcement.
  • Greater likelihood of being denied equal justice by the judicial system.
  • Unequal treatment in customer service situations if black ethnicity is known.

I'm in the unique position of being black while most of my friends happen to not only be white but also conservatives. In talking with my white friends, the general perspective they tend to have is racism toward blacks was once a very serious problem in America but it no longer exists except in the imaginations of some blacks as well as being aggressively practiced by black advocacy leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson and their all time favorite, Al Sharpton.

With the revelation of a police officer's pistol's ammunition emptied into the body of a teenager lying in a Chicago street along with other alleged incidents of unfair treatment of blacks, I thought I'd ask. Do you think blacks in America victims of discrimination?
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They are convinced that they are, by listening to their peers.

The are the poster children for 'look negative, see negative'.
 
iguanaman said:
You mean ethnic cleansing has been a Second or Third World issue but never in 1st tier countries. The U.S. has a far greater racism problem than any other 1st World country. Why do you think that is?

third_world_map.jpg
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WHAAAATTT?!?!

NO... America is actually among the least racist countries in the world...Actually, Canada/Scandinavia/Great Britain/America... are all the least racist countries in the world...There have been many studies on this
 
beerftw said:
If you think america has a far greater issue with racism than any other first world country, you have most likely never left america, Try dealing with germans, even today there are quite a few nazi supporters despite bans on it, or you can simply look at the rest of europe, in almost oll thse countries a certain race or ethnic group holds power, yet other ethnic groups and races are discriminated against, yet it is not deemed racism, even though it clearly is.

The world has been racist ot's entire existence, and trying to whitewash everything but white on black existing in the us does not help your cause, it only makes you look less credible.
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I cannot believe someone could be so ignorant.... the entire Asian continent is racist...

this gives a better Idea https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/15/a-fascinating-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-racially-tolerant-countries/
 
MaggieD said:
A year ago, I would have answered differently. Today, my answer is, Yes, no question about it. I think it's epidemic in our inner cities. Law enforcement is afraid of young black youth...shopkeepers judge people of color by their appearance as to their likelihood to steal and or make trouble...and dozens of other ways we profile those who are a threat.

Makes me very sad.
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That's why living in large cities suck lol. I was raised in the country. But yet in the last ten years I have been able to visit many metro areas throughout the country with my previous job. Including your Chicago land.. And honestly I have only actually seen people segregate themselves in larger cities. Especially in the northern large cities. Places like Altanta, New Orleans, Memphis, all those have high black populations, I do not see them as being so segregated though.
 
Smeagol said:
This includes but is not necessarily limited to:


  • Employment opportunities; hiring, severity of disciplinary actions taken by employers toward their black employees, compensation, promotions.
  • Social acceptance; welcomed into friendships, family's acceptance of interracial romantic relationships with blacks vs. orientals for example.
  • Willingness to use black owned professional services; doctor, lawyer, real estate agent, accountant, etc.
  • Greater likelihood of being treated abusively by law enforcement.
  • Greater likelihood of being denied equal justice by the judicial system.
  • Unequal treatment in customer service situations if black ethnicity is known.

I'm in the unique position of being black while most of my friends happen to not only be white but also conservatives. In talking with my white friends, the general perspective they tend to have is racism toward blacks was once a very serious problem in America but it no longer exists except in the imaginations of some blacks as well as being aggressively practiced by black advocacy leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson and their all time favorite, Al Sharpton.

With the revelation of a police officer's pistol's ammunition emptied into the body of a teenager lying in a Chicago street along with other alleged incidents of unfair treatment of blacks, I thought I'd ask. Do you think blacks in America victims of discrimination?
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Nobody here said "no."

Looks like we all pretty much agree on some kind of "yes."

I have a grand total of 2 black friends, both doing ok economically.

They are both college grads.

I think eventually that education will catch up with most or all black Americans, it will just take time.

The military is a good start in the meantime. It will take several generations.

There is hope.
 
I think that individuals certainly can be, but as a group, no, absolutely not.
 
They are the subjects of discrimination, both in the positive and negative way. However the odd positive discrimination they get do not way up to the many negative ways they are discriminated on a regular basis. When it comes to employment, imprisonment and police attention is the most obvious ways they are discriminated. And that leads to a whole group of black American men who are robbed of both freedom and opportunity in life by discrimination.
 
celticwar17 said:
WHAAAATTT?!?!

NO... America is actually among the least racist countries in the world...Actually, Canada/Scandinavia/Great Britain/America... are all the least racist countries in the world...There have been many studies on this
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He was not comparing it to other countries in the world, he was comparing the US to other first world countries only. That is why he said that the US has more racial discrimination than most other first world countries. Compared to second/third world countries the US reigns supreme of course, compared to the horrors in those countries the US is sitting pretty as a shining example of how it is superior to second/third world countries.

But, most other first world countries do not have such a large group of African Americans and Latino's compared to the US. Which would make the chance of there being issues with discrimination much larger than in other countries I think.

But we also should not exaggerate the problem, is there a problem, yes. And for a lot of discriminated people it is a huge problem, but you cannot stop and turnaround decades of discrimination in 2 generations.
 
mak2 said:
I was born and raised in a very white area. I know for absolutely sure racism exist. A couple of my friends own business and I know for a fact they intentionally avoid hiring minorities, or at least that is what they say.
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Do you know why he won't hire them?

My partner and I took over one of those buy here pay here car lots one time.

There were 30 delinquent accounts. All were black people.

They never made one payment and disappeared with the car. I couldn't find them or the car.

Now after that, is it discrimination to not sell cars to black people on terms or is it just good business?
 
Heinrich said:
No country comes close to racism in the USA. They even had a civil war over it for Pete's sake.
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Every country has racism and most just accept it as a way of life.

How many countries have you been to?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Racism, like other forms of bigotry, certainly exists. How do you explain having so many white and conservative friends or so few black and liberal friends? Self segregation, a preference for associating with like minded folks, now far exceeds any forced segregation, refusing to associate socially or professionally with "others".
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I don't understand what you are trying to say... the OP is racist because he doesn't have more black friends?
 
Smeagol said:
How do you explain having so many white and conservative friends or so few black and liberal friends? Self segregation, a preference for associating with like minded folks, now far exceeds any forced segregation,

The black population of America is only about 15%, about 30% in my city. Possibly a coincidence but also possibly the fact that I don't discriminate. LOL. Actually, I attend a racially diverse church and met most of my friends in faith circles to be honest. This also explains the high number of socially conservative friends.
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This is a good point.

When I attend religious services it happens to be at a Mosque. It's very multicultural. In the minority would be non-immigrant white Americans. I wouldn't say I am being a racist or bigot by attending such religious services, nor would I say non-immigrant white Americans are bigots for not attending.
 
Yea, that's right, all them people are worthless. You got proof right there.
Mason66 said:
Do you know why he won't hire them?

My partner and I took over one of those buy here pay here car lots one time.

There were 30 delinquent accounts. All were black people.

They never made one payment and disappeared with the car. I couldn't find them or the car.

Now after that, is it discrimination to not sell cars to black people on terms or is it just good business?
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SheWolf said:
I don't understand what you are trying to say... the OP is racist because he doesn't have more black friends?
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No, my point was that having more white friends seems to indicate a general lack of racial discrimination, at least among that subset of his peers. What I am trying to say is that racism or crime, can be (and is) a problem even if only a very tiny percentage of the population is comprised of racists or criminals. In other words, if 2% of the population are racists then 98% of the population are not racist. That simply means that racism can both be a "real" problem but not nearly as large of a problem as we are supposed to believe that it is.
 
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