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Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

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Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

Lursa said:
Discrimination and persecutiion are harmful, that is objective fact. And those things are often enabled thru derogatory names and stereotypes.

Your opinions are noted tho.
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But those are not based on speech, those are based on action. They are two different things. Figure it out.
 
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Cephus said:
But those are not based on speech, those are based on action. They are two different things. Figure it out.
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No, the speech informs, enables, and reinforces it.

How exactly do you think the hate, derision, disrespect, etc is spread????? :roll:
 
Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

Lursa said:
No, the speech informs, enables, and reinforces it.

How exactly do you think the hate, derision, disrespect, etc is spread????? :roll:
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Through action. Calling someone names is not harming anyone. Sticks and stones anyone? But we have a liberal idea right now that everyone deserves to feel good and be validated for everything they do, nobody is allowed to disagree, nobody is allowed to tell you that you're wrong and if they do, you get to kick your feet and cry and retreat to a safe space so that people can make you feel better about yourself.

Liberalism is ruining America, just like it has ruined everywhere else it's touched.
 
Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

Lursa said:
Discrimination and persecutiion are harmful, that is objective fact. And those things are often enabled thru derogatory names and stereotypes.

Your opinions are noted tho.
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That is virtually non-existent in the real world. We are not in the 50's -60's anymore.
 
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Lursa said:
No, the speech informs, enables, and reinforces it.

How exactly do you think the hate, derision, disrespect, etc is spread????? :roll:
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Do you think that hatred, lack of respect, and derision cease to exist simply because you silence it's verbal expression?

Wouldn't you rather KNOW what someone thinks about you so that you can make an informed decision about any future interaction with that person?

Or would you rather they smile to your face while secretly spitting in your food, or sabotaging your purchases?

That's the problem with all this social censorship. It hides the problems and lets them fester until they result in actions that cause actual harm.

On the other hand, if you let them spew their bile openly then your awareness informs your actions. You can engage him in a conversation. You can stop dealing with this person and spread the word to your friends. You can observe people who continue to associate with him and identify them as people to be wary of. This is the value of allowing free expression.
 
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Lursa said:
No, the speech informs, enables, and reinforces it.

How exactly do you think the hate, derision, disrespect, etc is spread????? :roll:
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The most it's ever spread is through jokes. You know, those things people say to make people laugh.

Also, while stereotypes are generalizations that could be taken offensively, they would not persist if there wasn't typically an element of truth involved. Though, in business, even if a person believes in stereotypes, people taking action based on them is virtually non-existent...
 
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Cephus said:
Through action. Calling someone names is not harming anyone. Sticks and stones anyone? But we have a liberal idea right now that everyone deserves to feel good and be validated for everything they do, nobody is allowed to disagree, nobody is allowed to tell you that you're wrong and if they do, you get to kick your feet and cry and retreat to a safe space so that people can make you feel better about yourself.

Liberalism is ruining America, just like it has ruined everywhere else it's touched.
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I guess that's why we revere MLK's speech so much...because it did nothing :doh

And education....does nothing :doh

Your point is silly and not founded in reality, when we all know that speech often precipitates action. People do not act in a vacuum...ideas and beliefs are shared...for better and for worse.
 
Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

Lursa said:
I guess that's why we revere MLK's speech so much...because it did nothing :doh

And education....does nothing :doh

Your point is silly and not founded in reality, when we all know that speech often precipitates action. People do not act in a vacuum...ideas and beliefs are shared...for better and for worse.
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It didn't harm anyone, but in an of itself, it did nothing. It spurred action, some positive, some negative. We celebrate the positive action, we decry the negative action. But the speech itself was just words. Words don't hurt anyone.
 
Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

Lursa said:
Discrimination and persecutiion are harmful, that is objective fact. And those things are often enabled thru derogatory names and stereotypes.

Your opinions are noted tho.
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BmanMcfly said:
That is virtually non-existent in the real world. We are not in the 50's -60's anymore.
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Jaw-droppingly and astoundingly wrong.

*applauds new high in achievement*
 
Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

Captain Adverse said:
Do you think that hatred, lack of respect, and derision cease to exist simply because you silence it's verbal expression?

Wouldn't you rather KNOW what someone thinks about you so that you can make an informed decision about any future interaction with that person?

Or would you rather they smile to your face while secretly spitting in your food, or sabotaging your purchases?

That's the problem with all this social censorship. It hides the problem and lets it fester until it results in actions that cause actual harm.

On the other hand, if you let them spew their bile your awareness informs your actions. You can engage him in a conversation. You can stop dealing with this person and spread the word to your friends. You can observe people who continue to associate with him and identify them as people to be wary of. This is the value of allowing free expression.
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I never ever suggested censorship nor do I support it.

Lursa said:
In general I agree, the ridiculous tendency towards 'offense' is displayed pretty obviously in social media and this campus stunt.

But there is also truth in the fact that continuing to use derogatory names and references towards a people is harmful. What I dont agree with is using force of law to suppress it. For instance, I dont agree with 'hate speech' or 'hate crime' laws.

I dont believe that controlling words actually changes what people think, but I do believe in educating on why they are harmful.
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Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

Cephus said:
It didn't harm anyone, but in an of itself, it did nothing. It spurred action, some positive, some negative. We celebrate the positive action, we decry the negative action. But the speech itself was just words. Words don't hurt anyone.
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Interesting you dont see the contradiction in your own words.

And again, the point you are trying to make is silly...just you trying to be right...when you have admitted that they do indeed 'spur' people to action.

"In and of itself" MLK's speech did a great deal and that is documented by history and by individuals 'who acted' and 'who were affected by those actions." Politicians, employers, communities, etc.

And everyone knows this.
 
Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

Lursa said:
I never ever suggested censorship nor do I support it.
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Thank you for clarifying. I did miss those responses in the thread. :)

I have no problem with people responding to expression they do not agree with. My problem rests with people who would censor the expression of those whose views they oppose simply because they conceive of a right to not be offended.
 
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Cephus said:
Nothing is harmful. Offense is taken, not given. I cannot offend anyone if they are not offended by what I say. It is entirely in their court to decide to be offended by something someone else says. That's how it works. If someone gets offended, it is their own damn fault and they have no one else to blame but themselves.
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what, you expect people to be responsible for their OWN emotions? go to time out ... it's safe there
 
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Lursa said:
Jaw-droppingly and astoundingly wrong.

*applauds new high in achievement*
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In what way is it wrong? Where is all this discrimination and racism occurring?

It's simply not... at least not to a fraction of the level the SJW crowd would like people to believe.
 
Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

Lursa said:
Interesting you dont see the contradiction in your own words.

And again, the point you are trying to make is silly...just you trying to be right...when you have admitted that they do indeed 'spur' people to action.

"In and of itself" MLK's speech did a great deal and that is documented by history and by individuals 'who acted' and 'who were affected by those actions." Politicians, employers, communities, etc.

And everyone knows this.
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Whether they spur people to action doesn't make the words harmful, only the actions. You can sit and scream at someone all day long and they will never be harmed. It is only the actions, should they occur, that are harmful. Come on, this really isn't that difficult to understand.
 
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BmanMcfly said:
In what way is it wrong? Where is all this discrimination and racism occurring?

It's simply not... at least not to a fraction of the level the SJW crowd would like people to believe.
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But that's the thing, these people can't tell the difference between thought and deed. They believe in thought-crime. If someone thinks or says something that they don't agree with, then they are as guilty of a crime as if they went out and robbed or raped or killed someone. That is what these people really believe and it's utterly absurd.
 
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Lursa said:
No but it was meant as an insult, wasnt it? Calling you a woman.

Thanks you just made my point for me. (And it wasnt about you taking it as an insult, it IS about using "being a woman" as the insult.")
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Right, but the difference was I was aware of it. I mean, how can you insult someone if they don't know about it? Do you think those students from Yale and Oxford and CMC tune into Debate Politics to get the play-by-play on what a bunch of dumb****s they are? OR is it more a question of the author of the post in question conveying a sentiment that maybe they are, in fact, emotional weaklings, just as George F. Will, who won the Pulitzer Prize for commentary, did when he called them "delicate snowflakes"? Is it an insult to snowflakes to refer to a person as one? :confused:
 
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Lursa said:
Your concern for our current veterans is noted.

I'll tell them they should all be just fine.
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Are you a veteran? If not, what gives you the right to tell them anything? Aren't you supposed to have experienced what they did to tell them something, at least according to the catechism of the New Left?
 
Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

Lursa said:
But there is also truth in the fact that continuing to use derogatory names and references towards a people is harmful.
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On the other hand, what if the derogatory name applies? That's truth, too, because some of these people are "delicate snowflakes" or "vaginas."
 
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Cephus said:
But that's the thing, these people can't tell the difference between thought and deed. They believe in thought-crime. If someone thinks or says something that they don't agree with, then they are as guilty of a crime as if they went out and robbed or raped or killed someone. That is what these people really believe and it's utterly absurd.
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Yes, that's why I pointed out earlier that those social justice warriors arguments can't stand to very much scrutiny before it falls apart. That's why the movement preys on young idealists with no real world experience.

They are also why many comedians are now refusing to play university gigs because there are too many of these people that don't understand that a part of many comedians routines is simply to bring up offensive topics in order to make light of it.

Here's the thing though; many people that get targeted by the SJW crowd wind up apologizing for what they said... That always winds up hurting them. Others have refused to apologize or made apologies in the "I'm sorry you can't take a joke", and that always helps their careers.

Further, these people are actually doing a disservice to the causes... Like rape, by making things like drunk sex is rape (well, passed out drunk would be, but they mean like too drunk to drive), it's going to be et to the point where before having consensual sex is going to require a signed contract with pictures showing both parties signing... And by counting these things as rape, it lessens ACTUAL rape, where a woman is forced into sex when there is no desire... Or worse.
 
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radcen said:
I probably shouldn't do this publicly, but I thought the same thing. :3oops:
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LOL...you are just glad I said it first. I understand.
 
Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

Cephus said:
Whether they spur people to action doesn't make the words harmful, only the actions. You can sit and scream at someone all day long and they will never be harmed. It is only the actions, should they occur, that are harmful. Come on, this really isn't that difficult to understand.
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And apparently not that difficult to miscontrue to suit your purpose so you dont have to seem wrong on the Internetz.

It's not fooling anyone.
 
Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

Ahlevah said:
Right, but the difference was I was aware of it. I mean, how can you insult someone if they don't know about it? Do you think those students from Yale and Oxford and CMC tune into Debate Politics to get the play-by-play on what a bunch of dumb****s they are? OR is it more a question of the author of the post in question conveying a sentiment that maybe they are, in fact, emotional weaklings, just as George F. Will, who won the Pulitzer Prize for commentary, did when he called them "delicate snowflakes"? Is it an insult to snowflakes to refer to a person as one? :confused:
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When you name call, for instance, and children hear it, then they can start believing those things.

Just one example.
 
Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

Ahlevah said:
On the other hand, what if the derogatory name applies? That's truth, too, because some of these people are "delicate snowflakes" or "vaginas."
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If you want to insult a person, make it personal, not something about a group attribute. Like, "all you Irish are stupid." Or'"You're a stupid Mick." If you choose to insult someone, it should be like, " You're an asshole for cutting that old lady off on the road."
 
Re: Should college administrations establish "safe areas" for "students of color"?

Cephus said:
But that's the thing, these people can't tell the difference between thought and deed. They believe in thought-crime. If someone thinks or says something that they don't agree with, then they are as guilty of a crime as if they went out and robbed or raped or killed someone. That is what these people really believe and it's utterly absurd.
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I'm sure you can let us know which people in this thread believe that. Probably there were some but I'd hate to think you couldnt understand what you were reading more recently.

Lursa said:
In general I agree, the ridiculous tendency towards 'offense' is displayed pretty obviously in social media and this campus stunt.

But there is also truth in the fact that continuing to use derogatory names and references towards a people is harmful. What I dont agree with is using force of law to suppress it. For instance, I dont agree with 'hate speech' or 'hate crime' laws.

I dont believe that controlling words actually changes what people think, but I do believe in educating on why they are harmful.
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