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If you knew a pedophile?

I disagree.

That idea would create a whole slue of statutory rape cases destroying the lives of young people.

I began having sex at the tender age of 13, with a 15 year-old girl. Most of my friends were engaging in various activities between the ages of 15 -17. Granted this was back in the 60's and 70's but I don't think things have changed all that much.

However we have teens being charged with statutory rape with only a couple years difference in age in the minority of states where the age of consent is 18, absent a close-in-age exception.

Last I checked, the average age of consent in the majority of U.S. states and countries around the world is 16. I think that is both rational and reasonable. Of course I also think it is rational and reasonable to teach Sex Education in an honest way beginning in Middle School, because I know kids are going to experiment whether we teach them or not, and they should know what's what before they make mistakes out of ignorance.

The fact that you declare an attraction for teen girls in the age group you would like to make illegal, as if making it illegal would be a further barrier to your desires???

THAT makes me suspicious of your real desires.

In a messed up world like this the law needs to communicate morality. Like I said - I have known adults that have had a 16 year old girl living with them as their girlfriend. And they were not close in age. And yes there could be close in age exception of maybe three years that would cover any problems. So a 21 year old man could only have sex with an 18 year old. 21 and 17 or 16 is too much of a gap. 16 is too young for adults to have sex with them.

And if I find some teenage girls attractive - like most do - then of course I have desires and if stuff is legal then it is only my morality keeping me from looking for a 16 yer old girlfriend - and a lot of peoples own personal morality is not enough to keep them in check it seems so we need better laws.

"Because you took advantage of a sinner/because you took advantage/because you took/because you took advantage of my disadvantage […] /because of all you did/because of all I did not/you have to die." - Lolita

edit- Its all about advantage. An adult has an advantage over even the wisest teenage girl. And I am very confident that public opinion would support the idea that men of 21 and over should not be living with or having sex with a 17 or 16 year old girl.

edit - And I think that a big problem is that it seems that the people in control of US hegemony do want to have sex with young teenage girls ( read about so-called Fantasy Island for example. ) - so you get all of this suggestion that 14 or 13 might be a good legal age. All the push is to normalize the thinking and to lower age and not to bring in updated civilized laws.

Most people do not want adults having sex with 16 year old girls. The law could be changed to 18 easily - especially with close in age exceptions - so why is there no talk of this? Why is all the push to lower? It is because the wealthy want to have sex with your teenage daughters and for you to say that it is ok. Its only poor girls that end up working as 16 year old sex slaves on Fantasy Island you know.

edit- But hey - we treat 14 year old terrorists as adults here in Australia.

13/14 is the time that Jews and Catholics choose for children to become Sons or Daughters of the Commandments.
 
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In a messed up world like this the law needs to communicate morality. Like I said - I have known adults that have had a 16 year old girl living with them as their girlfriend. And they were not close in age. And yes there could be close in age exception of maybe three years that would cover any problems. So a 21 year old man could only have sex with an 18 year old. 21 and 17 or 16 is too much of a gap. 16 is too young for adults to have sex with them.

And if I find some teenage girls attractive - like most do - then of course I have desires and if stuff is legal then it is only my morality keeping me from looking for a 16 yer old girlfriend - and a lot of peoples own personal morality is not enough to keep them in check it seems so we need better laws.


"Because you took advantage of a sinner/because you took advantage/because you took/because you took advantage of my disadvantage […] /because of all you did/because of all I did not/you have to die." - Lolita

Morality my ..... The reason adults of both sexes find 16 year olds "attractive" has already been explained to you. It is because in a state of Nature, by the age of 16 they ARE adults; i.e. both physically capable of having and raising a baby, and desiring sex. That during our million year evolutionary journey it is only within the last 100 or so years that the social morality you speak of has developed in Western Society (i.e. The USA and British Commonwealth nations). The drive to extend childhood as long as possible, and to portray sex as wicked and dangerous.

People fail to realize (or simply forget what it was like to be a teenager) that whatever is listed as forbidden until "adulthood" becomes more desirable to obtain as an expression of adulthood by the typical teenager. Why do you think we still have kids smoking, drinking, and doing drugs "underage" despite all the efforts to teach them NOT to?

IMO we need to teach teens how to be responsible adults and to make informed decisions as soon as they reach an age that they will act whether we want them to or not. That includes giving them the right to make mistakes without traumatizing them further by making the activity illegal for either them or their chosen partners.
 
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Morality my ..... The reason adults of both sexes find 16 year olds "attractive" has already been explained to you. It is because in a state of Nature, by the age of 16 they ARE adults; i.e. both physically capable of having and raising a baby, and desiring sex. That during our million year evolutionary journey it is only within the last 100 or so years that the social morality you speak of has developed in Western Society (i.e. The USA and British Commonwealth nations). The drive to extend childhood as long as possible, and to portray sex as wicked and dangerous.

People fail to realize (or simply forget what it was like to be a teenager) that whatever is listed as forbidden until "adulthood" becomes more desirable to obtain as an expression of adulthood by the typical teenager. Why do you think we still have kids smoking, drinking, and doing drugs "underage" despite all the efforts to teach them NOT to?

IMO we need to teach teens how to be responsible adults and to make informed decisions as soon as they reach an age that they will act whether we want them to or not. That includes giving them the right to make mistakes without traumatizing them further by making the activity illegal for either them or their chosen partners.

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A 16 year old should not be able to give informed consent. They cant even get a loan. So no - it should not be legal for them to have sex with adults. Even if they make a choice to. Especially since economic situation may contribute to their decision making.

edit- In a socialist utopia maybe. But until then - no.
 
Whatever. People with money travel. Borders mean nothing. And 14 is too young. And we need to stop the wealthy having so-called Fantasy Islands that are full of underage girls that are used as sex salves for orgies and what not.

"Because you took advantage of a sinner/because you took advantage/because you took/because you took advantage of my disadvantage […] /because of all you did/because of all I did not/you have to die."

It is not very moderate of you to suggest 14 as a global min age of consent.

Japan has good pedophile laws. They can convict a pedophile even if they did their molesting in another nation. Western nations should all do that for a start.
Are you trolling or something? Every Anglosphere country does have that law. The age of consent for US citizens abroad is 18 years old. Further, there is no such thing as "Fantasy Island" where men can travel to and have sex with underage girls. There is absolutely no safe haven for men interested in underage sex anywhere in the world. The global age of consent for commercial sex is 18. You can worry your little head about the age of consent for non-commercial sex not being as uniform, but the reality of the matter is that the only way 99% of the old guys into young girls are ever going to fulfill their fantasies is by paying for it.
 
Whatever. People with money travel. Borders mean nothing. And 14 is too young. And we need to stop the wealthy having so-called Fantasy Islands that are full of underage girls that are used as sex salves for orgies and what not.

"Because you took advantage of a sinner/because you took advantage/because you took/because you took advantage of my disadvantage […] /because of all you did/because of all I did not/you have to die."

It is not very moderate of you to suggest 14 as a global min age of consent.

Japan has good pedophile laws. They can convict a pedophile even if they did their molesting in another nation. Western nations should all do that for a start.

You think Age of Consent laws prevent people from using money to obtain kids as sex objects? If someone wants a harem of kids they're going to no matter what. It's how much countries and LEO'S care that makes a difference.
 
IN THE USA, MY BET IS that a person who falls under the labels of "Hebephilia" or "Pedophilia" WOULD NEVER OPENLY participate in any type of survey (or casually share such personal information) that would identify their genuine relationship/sexual age preference (regardless if their preference is derived from a sexual disorder OR hardwired).

To "casually disclose such information about oneself would be "highly unlikely". To do so would be an act that is more or less an admission by an individual who has the ability to regard themselves as a danger to society. I don't think that is very commonplace. As far as anyone knows to date, sexual preferences or orientations don't diminish one's intellect or ability to recognize consequences for their behaviors. The brain mechanism that individuals have to control their sexual urges and behaviors - I would assume is a different issue.

Age disparity in sexual relationships give rise to several labels:

1) Ephebophilia is the primary or exclusive adult sexual interest in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19. Ephebophilia strictly denotes the preference for mid-to-late adolescent sexual partners, not the mere presence of some level of sexual attraction.

2) Hebephilia to refer to the sexual preference for earlier pubescent individuals,

3) Pedophilia to refer to the sexual preference for pre-pubescent children.

Note: The term pedophilia is commonly used by the general public to refer to any sexual interest in minors below the legal age of consent, regardless of their level of physical or mental development. Most of those who believe the preceding are usually "TECHNICALLY misinformed or simply wrong".

BUT....IF WE WERE TO DO SOME TYPE OF SURVEY that had a significant population sample respond...

Would a survey such as the following possibly come close to reflecting any given person's fundamental moral boundaries within "Developed/Industrialized Nations" regarding potential sex partners { Note: Providing the answer is 100% true to be best of their knowledge}:

Or...

Should the survey questions below apply across ALL CULTURES? We do know that in some counties TODAY - 14 and under females are forced to marry men 50 and up. FORCED TO MARRY. Now that might be a thousands of years old tradition, but I my humble opinion - to maintain such a tradition in this day and age is sincerely ****ed up. What about remote tribes that still exist in South America or in Africa? Obviously evolution isn't concerned with equality in all social behaviors within a given species.

Or...

Would any of the following questions even matter IF ALL sexual orientations are hardwired?

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50 year old and Up Men: Would you have sex with a 14 year old male or female who appeared to be mature beyond his or her age - if there would be a guarantee that there would be no legal consequences?

50 year old and Up Women: Would you have sex with a 14 year old male or female who appeared to be mature beyond his or her age - if there would be a guarantee that there would be no legal consequences?

30 year old to 49 Men: Would you have sex with a 14 year old male or female who appeared to be mature beyond his or her age - if there would be a guarantee that there would be no legal consequences?

30 year old to 49 Women: Would you have sex with a 14 year old male or female who appeared to be mature beyond his or her age - if there would be a guarantee that there would be no legal consequences?

21 year old to 29 Men: Would you have sex with a 14 year old male or female who appeared to be mature beyond his or her age - if there would be a guarantee that there would be no legal consequences?

21 year old to 29 Women: Would you have sex with a 14 year old male or female who appeared to be mature beyond his or her age - if there would be a guarantee that there would be no legal consequences?

18 year old to 20 Men: Would you have sex with a 14 year old male or female who appeared to be mature beyond his or her age - if there would be a guarantee that there would be no legal consequences?

18 year old to 20 Women: Would you have sex with a 14 year old male or female who appeared to be mature beyond his or her age - if there would be a guarantee that there would be no legal consequences?

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And if one wanted to get down to the nitty gritty, additional questions above could be introduced to the survey, which would remain the same for age groups of the legal adults and the minors in question age would decrease year by year - down to the age of say 10 years old (and lower).
 
You think Age of Consent laws prevent people from using money to obtain kids as sex objects? If someone wants a harem of kids they're going to no matter what. It's how much countries and LEO'S care that makes a difference.

Yes. That is the idea of laws isnt it? To prevent people from doing stuff that is wrong. Sure some will break them - but if we catch them they face consequences. Why have any laws at all if you think that we cant stop people having harems of kids. Im pretty sure that laws making that illegal would help. And then to help even more we police. But yeah maybe you are right - lets just have no laws because if people want to do stuff they are just going to do it hey.
 
Ideally, you shouldn't have to do anything. Your family safety policies should be robust enough that you were already assuming there are pedophiles in your neighborhood and your children remain as safe now that such an assumption is confirmed as they were before that assumption was confirmed.
 
Ideally, you shouldn't have to do anything. Your family safety policies should be robust enough that you were already assuming there are pedophiles in your neighborhood and your children remain as safe now that such an assumption is confirmed as they were before that assumption was confirmed.

if this 'robust' policy included letting the neighbor look after the kids while you were away, then you later found out the neighbor was a pedo, i would imagine that would change your safety protocol

or letting your kid spend alone with a priest...

the fact is it's easy to assume predators are out there, but you don't want to think it's hidden behind a familiar and harmless looking face
 
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A 16 year old should not be able to give informed consent. They cant even get a loan. So no - it should not be legal for them to have sex with adults. Even if they make a choice to. Especially since economic situation may contribute to their decision making.

edit- In a socialist utopia maybe. But until then - no.

They can here where I live and there is no societal breakdown...
 
They can here where I live and there is no societal breakdown...

I was just reading that some secret service guy is in trouble for illegal actions with a minor. That is good.

And I think that there must be some level of societal breakdown for people to allow 16 year old girls to have sex with adults. A three year age exception would make it possible for civilized laws to be brought in. Adults should not have sex with 16 year old girls and most people agree with that so it would be easy to change the laws.
 
You lost the argument with your first word...

Or perhaps, the very reason I opened with that word was to imply all of the things you obviously understood upon seeing that word.
 
Or perhaps, the very reason I opened with that word was to imply all of the things you obviously understood upon seeing that word.

Defeats the purpose...
 
I was just reading that some secret service guy is in trouble for illegal actions with a minor. That is good.

And I think that there must be some level of societal breakdown for people to allow 16 year old girls to have sex with adults. A three year age exception would make it possible for civilized laws to be brought in. Adults should not have sex with 16 year old girls and most people agree with that so it would be easy to change the laws.

Most adults here are not doing that but the age of consent is 16 regardless...
 
Ehm...'inspired' by another thread, i'm wondering how ya'll would handle a situation where you discovered a friend/neighbor/coworker/family was a pedophile who did NOT to your knowledge harm a kid (yet)

What would you do?

Well, if the person hasn't done anything yet, how do you know he/she is a pedophile? Personally, I hate these bastards and think they should all be rounded up and shot -- but only AFTER they've been proven to have done something wrong. We don't want to encourage any Nazi-like witch hunts....
 
Most pedophiles don't actually do anything so I wouldn't do anything more than raise an eyebrow unless they give me a reason to be more concerned.
 
Well, if the person hasn't done anything yet, how do you know he/she is a pedophile? Personally, I hate these bastards and think they should all be rounded up and shot -- but only AFTER they've been proven to have done something wrong. We don't want to encourage any Nazi-like witch hunts....

Witches were not on the Nazi Holocaust Kill List... Jews, Gypsies, Intellectuals, homosexuals and political opponents were though.
 
Most pedophiles don't actually do anything so I wouldn't do anything more than raise an eyebrow unless they give me a reason to be more concerned.

Just one eyebrow? Like this?

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Witches were not on the Nazi Holocaust Kill List... Jews, Gypsies, Intellectuals, homosexuals and political opponents were though.

I said, "Nazi-like", but hey, I doubt that pedophiles had a very "nice day" in Nazi Germany or any other totalitarian state. These most dangerous of all perverts are despised and hated throughout civilization, wherever you find them.
 
These most dangerous of all perverts are despised and hated throughout civilization, wherever you find them.

Is there a list?
 
Alright then...

Well, what's your position in New Zealand on child molesters? Actually, after they've been convicted, served their "time", and released back into the public, their addresses are posted here in the United States. As much as I despise these creatures for what they do to children, I've always thought this practice is, on its face, unfair.
 
Ehm...'inspired' by another thread, i'm wondering how ya'll would handle a situation where you discovered a friend/neighbor/coworker/family was a pedophile who did NOT to your knowledge harm a kid (yet)

What would you do?

If they've never actually done anything to a kid, are they a pedophile?

Question presumes they literally never have, regardless what you know or don't know.
 
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