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Hillary vs. Trump or Carson

If you had to choose: Hillary vs. Trump or Carson

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Definitely Hillary but this is a bad thread and you should feel bad for making it.
 
ocean515 said:
Allow me to throw this one at you CJ.

Since we're in "imagine" mode, there are only the three candidates mentioned in the OP.

Carson, who I like a lot, just isn't the right guy for the job. That leaves Hilary, and Trump.

Hilary isn't running for President, her ego and narcissism is. She, IMO, would be a true disaster for the US.

Trump, no question, is about Trump. It seems to me, he would be all about the deal, and the deal is what is best for business. Whether he lined his pockets or not, his ego would be all in for whatever it took to benefit the US, and hence, his business.

I find that much more palatable than the prospect of a shrill angry Hilary storming around the globe as clueless and unprepared as her predecessor.
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Good afternoon Ocean,

You're presuming that Trump has staying power for the fight through to next August/September or whenever the Republican convention is held. I think he'll be long gone out of the race by then. The Presidency holds nothing for him other than the title and 4 years, let alone the prospect of 8 years without any ability to self-promote and make personal deals and personal wealth would kill the man. I don't think there's any way he really wants the job. He's working his book and working his brand - very cheaply, I'd add, since the media is all in the bag hoping he'd win the Republican nod because it would be good for business and he'd never have a hope in hell of beating Clinton.

There's nothing in Trump's business empire that's anyway related to foreign investment or trade or business interests - he's a real estate investor/speculator. He buys and flips property on a grand scale and generally does very well at it. It's why he supports expropriations, hoping to buy local politicians for the benefit of securing valued property cheaply to develop. There's nothing in the White House or the Executive Branch that would benefit his brand or his ambitions. The only "business" he tried to build and promote was his casinos and they were a colossal failure.

I expect Trump to continue to drop in the polls and sometime following South Carolina, before the real money has to be spent on organization and paid advertising for the big primaries and Super Tuesday type events, Trump will beg out of the race, his business interests needing his expertise and he lacks the time to commit to both. It will be his usual graceless way of losing while in his own mind he'll think he came across as noble.

He's an act - a short run off-Broadway show with a best before date.

He'll be gone and Carson is self-imploding by the day and will be gone soon too. Serious people in the Republican party will be looking at who's left and making the rational, reasoned decisions.

This poll is just an expression of Democrat hopes and dreams for an easy path for Hillary to the White House.
 
Hillary's time has come and gone. No question, 2008 was her time. If she were elected instead of the terrorist attack known as obama, America would probably be in a bit better shape. But the difference today and 2008 Hillary is today's Hillary is scandal-ridden, is a habitual liar; has too many skeletons in her closet. Basically she should bow to the heavens and be tremendously thankful that she's not in prison.

Now the recent interview that the neurosurgeon did proved me wrong- he does have that inner warrior that it seems just needed a firm nudge to come out. But while I feel that he brought up some good points, mainly why didn't candidate obama get this kind of scrutiny when he was running, and why doesn't the media investigate why he signed an Executive order to seal not only his, but all past President's records. With that said, I still don't think he has what it takes to be President.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Good afternoon Ocean,

You're presuming that Trump has staying power for the fight through to next August/September or whenever the Republican convention is held. I think he'll be long gone out of the race by then. The Presidency holds nothing for him other than the title and 4 years, let alone the prospect of 8 years without any ability to self-promote and make personal deals and personal wealth would kill the man. I don't think there's any way he really wants the job. He's working his book and working his brand - very cheaply, I'd add, since the media is all in the bag hoping he'd win the Republican nod because it would be good for business and he'd never have a hope in hell of beating Clinton.

There's nothing in Trump's business empire that's anyway related to foreign investment or trade or business interests - he's a real estate investor/speculator. He buys and flips property on a grand scale and generally does very well at it. It's why he supports expropriations, hoping to buy local politicians for the benefit of securing valued property cheaply to develop. There's nothing in the White House or the Executive Branch that would benefit his brand or his ambitions. The only "business" he tried to build and promote was his casinos and they were a colossal failure.

I expect Trump to continue to drop in the polls and sometime following South Carolina, before the real money has to be spent on organization and paid advertising for the big primaries and Super Tuesday type events, Trump will beg out of the race, his business interests needing his expertise and he lacks the time to commit to both. It will be his usual graceless way of losing while in his own mind he'll think he came across as noble.

He's an act - a short run off-Broadway show with a best before date.

He'll be gone and Carson is self-imploding by the day and will be gone soon too. Serious people in the Republican party will be looking at who's left and making the rational, reasoned decisions.

This poll is just an expression of Democrat hopes and dreams for an easy path for Hillary to the White House.
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I actually agree with you, and that really surprises me.

But I'd like to ask though, just who does a seemingly intelligent Conservative root for when you are against the 2 front runners?
I'd have to assume you are equally against Fiorina, maybe even more so.
You do not seem like a whacko or psychotic so I know you are not a Cruz supporter.
Bush and Christie might be too moderate for you, although Christie has proven to be a bit more of a sell out than a moderate.
You do not seem like the religious fanatic type, I am ruling out Huckabee.
Rubio has no real position of his own and will say whatever his base wants to hear. I do not think you are that shallow.

Paul can't decide if he is a Libertarian like his father, or a crazed tea party type. But I can't rule him out for you.
This only leaves Kasich, who I know so little about that I can't say anything good or bad about the guy.

So am I even close at all?
Is it Paul or Kasich?
 
Painter said:
I actually agree with you, and that really surprises me.

But I'd like to ask though, just who does a seemingly intelligent Conservative root for when you are against the 2 front runners?
I'd have to assume you are equally against Fiorina, maybe even more so.
You do not seem like a whacko or psychotic so I know you are not a Cruz supporter.
Bush and Christie might be too moderate for you, although Christie has proven to be a bit more of a sell out than a moderate.
You do not seem like the religious fanatic type, I am ruling out Huckabee.
Rubio has no real position of his own and will say whatever his base wants to hear. I do not think you are that shallow.

Paul can't decide if he is a Libertarian like his father, or a crazed tea party type. But I can't rule him out for you.
This only leaves Kasich, who I know so little about that I can't say anything good or bad about the guy.

So am I even close at all?
Is it Paul or Kasich?
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Actually, I've been touting Jeb Bush for the job since back in 2010 and believed he would have won the nomination and the Presidency had he run in the primaries against Romney and company back then. He wasn't ready. I still believe he'll eventually be the nominee because the Republican establishment still wants him as the nominee. He's the most competent and experienced in the field, his social conservative credentials are unassailable even though he doesn't wear them on his sleeve and doesn't like to bring them into the public policy domain, and he's got the ability and organization to tough out the early ups and downs and stick around for the important primaries in the big States and big events. Once the circus leaves town, he'll look damn good. He'll be a terrific President.

Paul doesn't interest me at all and Kasich is pretty good but not top of the ticket good. I expect a Bush/Kasich ticket and it will be formidable against anything Clinton can come up with.

You've pretty well expressed my views on the rest of the Republican field.
 
All of them close to terminally flawed, but one (Clinton) is just a little less flawed than the other 2. One of which has zero political experience (or serious leadership experience) which was the big problem with Obama in Obama's first electoral race for president but suddenly now it is a real black person (not my words but Foxnews) who just happens to be conservative and it is no longer a problem at all.

The other one has no political experience but has some serious leadership experience, the problem with him is that he is an egoistic, self centered, arrogant, reality TV personality buffoon who has alienated the big Latino population, already has zero chance of winning the black vote, who would most likely do bad with the women voters (divorced several times for example) and may be a step too far for anyone with even a modicum of moderate blood in him/her.

Clinton too has numerous serious faults, but she is someone who would (by the very nature of her being a democrat) do much better with blacks, Latino's, women, younger voters and has the necessary political and leadership qualities needed for a presidency and at least looks like the strongest out of these three politicians that were given as an option.
 
They all suck...America is fracked for the foreseeable future if these dreks are the best the voters can come up with.

America? Voting for awful politicians is not doing the country any good. If all the candidates suck...don't vote for them.
If you knowingly vote for lousy politicians, then you have no business complaining about them when they mess up...you put them there.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Good afternoon Ocean,

You're presuming that Trump has staying power for the fight through to next August/September or whenever the Republican convention is held. I think he'll be long gone out of the race by then. The Presidency holds nothing for him other than the title and 4 years, let alone the prospect of 8 years without any ability to self-promote and make personal deals and personal wealth would kill the man. I don't think there's any way he really wants the job. He's working his book and working his brand - very cheaply, I'd add, since the media is all in the bag hoping he'd win the Republican nod because it would be good for business and he'd never have a hope in hell of beating Clinton.

There's nothing in Trump's business empire that's anyway related to foreign investment or trade or business interests - he's a real estate investor/speculator. He buys and flips property on a grand scale and generally does very well at it. It's why he supports expropriations, hoping to buy local politicians for the benefit of securing valued property cheaply to develop. There's nothing in the White House or the Executive Branch that would benefit his brand or his ambitions. The only "business" he tried to build and promote was his casinos and they were a colossal failure.

I expect Trump to continue to drop in the polls and sometime following South Carolina, before the real money has to be spent on organization and paid advertising for the big primaries and Super Tuesday type events, Trump will beg out of the race, his business interests needing his expertise and he lacks the time to commit to both. It will be his usual graceless way of losing while in his own mind he'll think he came across as noble.

He's an act - a short run off-Broadway show with a best before date.

He'll be gone and Carson is self-imploding by the day and will be gone soon too. Serious people in the Republican party will be looking at who's left and making the rational, reasoned decisions.

This poll is just an expression of Democrat hopes and dreams for an easy path for Hillary to the White House.
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Trump has quite an extensive history in foreign investment. However, I share your belief that his staying power is questionable. As to the Democrats and the Fourth Estate they control, I agree. I'm sure it has been frustrating to see their anointed candidate struggle in the face of a Socialist, and a Real Estate developer. Says much about their anointed candidate.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Actually, I've been touting Jeb Bush for the job since back in 2010 and believed he would have won the nomination and the Presidency had he run in the primaries against Romney and company back then. He wasn't ready. I still believe he'll eventually be the nominee because the Republican establishment still wants him as the nominee. He's the most competent and experienced in the field, his social conservative credentials are unassailable even though he doesn't wear them on his sleeve and doesn't like to bring them into the public policy domain, and he's got the ability and organization to tough out the early ups and downs and stick around for the important primaries in the big States and big events. Once the circus leaves town, he'll look damn good. He'll be a terrific President.

Paul doesn't interest me at all and Kasich is pretty good but not top of the ticket good. I expect a Bush/Kasich ticket and it will be formidable against anything Clinton can come up with.

You've pretty well expressed my views on the rest of the Republican field.
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Nice. I wasn't too far off.
Bush is one of the least scary for sure. My only fear about him is if some of the same forces that controlled his brother might also control him.
It is his brother than took me from a solid Republican with eyes closed, to a Republican hating, Left leaning, Independent.
 
Painter said:
Nice. I wasn't too far off.
Bush is one of the least scary for sure. My only fear about him is if some of the same forces that controlled his brother might also control him.
It is his brother than took me from a solid Republican with eyes closed, to a Republican hating, Left leaning, Independent.
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I don't find Jeb Bush the slightest bit scary and in fact I find him refreshingly real, flaws and all.

We differ on GW Bush - I thought he was a pretty good President and absolutely terrific after 9/11 when his style of leadership was needed both in America and in the world at large. One can criticize him on a number of fronts, but his leadership brought a lot more stability to the world, particularly the Middle East, than you have now and he tried to do some really big things like immigration reform and entitlement/social security reform. Unfortunately, not enough politicians in Washington had the foresight or the intestinal fortitude to do the tough sledding to get things done.
 
Hillary without hesitation.
 
Amadeus said:
Who would you vote for, if you had to choose?
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donald duck ?who can do it.I WONDER

and Ben Carson .he hates muslims..............
(as if only problem of USA is muslims ,what a pity.as a black he must be condemning MALCOMM X AND MLK!!

AND hillary is a fake democrat.
 
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Should have asked this poll of independents only. Democrats will vote for Democrats and Republicans will vote for Republicans.
 
I would rather vote for Hilary or Bernie than vote for Trump or Carson.
 
Amadeus said:
Who would you vote for, if you had to choose?
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Interestingly, the last scientific poll I saw has Clinton beating Trump but Carson beating Clinton.

General Election Match-Ups

Sanders 46.6
Trump 43.4
Sanders +3.2

Carson 48.3
Sanders 40.0
Carson +8.3

Rubio 43.3
Sanders 41.7
Rubio +1.6

Clinton 46.0
Trump 43.8
Clinton +2.2

Carson 48.6
Clinton 43.4
Carson +5.2

from realclearpolitics.com.
 
I voted Trump. At least he won't try to ban all guns like clinton most surely will; he's for tariffs and against sending more jobs to low wage countries, while clinton will be just like her husband and obama, offshoring everything. Trump's also anti illegal immigration, and anti bringing in any more refugees. As far as Carson, I don't think he's playing with a full deck.
 
As much as I hate Hillary and detest her, to be fair, I seriously doubt she will ban "all" guns. While she might be for a lot of gun control legislation, it wouldn't be anywhere close to all guns. Even if she wanted to, any Democrat is limited as to how much they can legally do. Even Obama has hit a roadblock on this issue. If anyone could do it he would have already done it.
 
Amadeus said:
Who would you vote for, if you had to choose?
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If I absolutely had to choose one of those three, it would be Hillary, but fortunately, I do not.
 
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