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Do You Support Anonymous's Actions in #OpKKK?

Do You Support Anonymous's Actions in #OpKKK?

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Glen Contrarian said:
That was the excuse...but the REALITY is that abortion is sometimes necessary in cases of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother. There is no such excuse for racism.
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The REALITY has nothing to do with the Supreme Court who can only rule based on the Constitution. While I agree with you, that has nothing to do with the case at hand. And of course, like it or not, racism is protected by the 1st amendment.
 
Ikari said:
You would, yeah? Every poster on Stormfront is a white supremacist yeah? Have you ever actually...you know....looked into it? Could it not be possible that Stormfront has folk trolling it all the time? Maybe some people POEing it up or other methods through which they 're actually mocking the rest of the folk? Do you have any statistics to back your claim?

Or is this just "I would say so, and thus everyone is" sort of thing? Because you have just highlighted one of the major problems with Anonymous and their data dumps. There's no checking to see if they are telling the truth or that their lists are accurate. People are just stating "I would say so" and then releasing personal information out onto the web for the point of harassment and cyber bullying. This is why vigilantism is not a good thing.
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-Of course not "every single poster" is a white supremacist. Just like "every single poster" on a sports team form is a fan of that team. But would you seriously say a Denver Broncos fan form is not a place for Denver Broncos fans to go and post about their team? Of course there are going to be trolls, etc on the site but the vast majority of the posters on the site are there for the sites content and subject of the form?
-And yes I have looked into the site. I find it pretty disgusting and its content pretty disgusting.
-And what kind of "stats" do you want? The ALEXA rank? Visit numbers? Finances? Registered users?


-I mean what exactly is your point here? That stormfront isnt a hate site/white supremacist site?
 
Cephus said:
Yup, some people who refuse to call a spade a spade and are equally hypocritical.
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Maybe we should no longer use that particular turn of tongue. Spades are after all black and someone's feelings might hurt. Let's use hearts and risk calling a heart red.
 
joG said:
Maybe we should no longer use that particular turn of tongue. Spades are after all black and someone's feelings might hurt. Let's use hearts and risk calling a heart red.
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Too bad. People who choose to get offended at words have problems.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
Last I recall, conservatives and most libertarians were pro-death penalty...even after it was shown that sometimes the one executed was innocent. How is this any different, much less any worse?
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I'm not pro-death penalty...

and WHAAAAAT? it is the world of difference... people who are put under the death penalty have been convicted beyond reasonable doubt in our court system... ANonymous is NOT DOING that, they are vigilantes..

The analogy you are trying to find is that it is equivalent to a small group of secretive people killing those they think are "bad" people, with no court, no jury among their peers, no nothing!.


Where you just not thinking before you posted that?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
-Of course not "every single poster" is a white supremacist. Just like "every single poster" on a sports team form is a fan of that team. But would you seriously say a Denver Broncos fan form is not a place for Denver Broncos fans to go and post about their team? Of course there are going to be trolls, etc on the site but the vast majority of the posters on the site are there for the sites content and subject of the form?
-And yes I have looked into the site. I find it pretty disgusting and its content pretty disgusting.
-And what kind of "stats" do you want? The ALEXA rank? Visit numbers? Finances? Registered users?
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Have you ever visited sports fan forums? The Denver Broncos fan forum will have a lot of Broncos fans, but also a significant number of people trolling Broncos fans.

Stats, I mean correlations of user to actual political affiliation. Such that, how many people on Stormfront are actual racists and how many are people trolling the racists? You have no real idea. You have a supposition, but no measurement.

TheDemSocialist said:
-I mean what exactly is your point here? That stormfront isnt a hate site/white supremacist site?
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The point is exactly as I stated in the second paragraph. Anonymous does not fact check. They hack a place, steal a data base, and post that data base. So they do something they claim is affiliated with the KKK, but not everyone the "expose" are going to be members of the KKK. Though some folk are going to assume they are. And now here they are not only associated with the group, but with their personal information flapping in the breeze.

So here's the point. Vigilantism is not a good thing. This sort of social mob justice is not a good thing. Cyber bullying is not a good thing. You may think you're doing good, or that the people deserve it, but you're not being careful enough to eliminate false positives. You are opening up real people to harassment and assault. It's not a good thing. It should not be encouraged.
 
celticwar17 said:
I'm not pro-death penalty...

and WHAAAAAT? it is the world of difference... people who are put under the death penalty have been convicted beyond reasonable doubt in our court system... ANonymous is NOT DOING that, they are vigilantes..

The analogy you are trying to find is that it is equivalent to a small group of secretive people killing those they think are "bad" people, with no court, no jury among their peers, no nothing!.


Where you just not thinking before you posted that?
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joG said:
Why? But it is important that someone publish the anonymous people's names too.
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The Govt has only been able to nab a few.
 
Ikari said:
You would, yeah? Every poster on Stormfront is a white supremacist yeah? Have you ever actually...you know....looked into it? Could it not be possible that Stormfront has folk trolling it all the time? Maybe some people POEing it up or other methods through which they 're actually mocking the rest of the folk? Do you have any statistics to back your claim?

Or is this just "I would say so, and thus everyone is" sort of thing? Because you have just highlighted one of the major problems with Anonymous and their data dumps. There's no checking to see if they are telling the truth or that their lists are accurate. People are just stating "I would say so" and then releasing personal information out onto the web for the point of harassment and cyber bullying. This is why vigilantism is not a good thing.
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Neither are threats to murder innocent people exercising their 1st Amendment rights.
 
JANFU said:
Neither are threats to murder innocent people exercising their 1st Amendment rights.
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No, but we're not talking about threats, that is a crime. We're talking about people having opinions that you don't like.
 
No.

I vote a resounding "no."

If they were only going after people in positions of power aligning with what's left of the Klan, then it'd be a different story.

Seeing the reactions to this really make me think about all the whining about the NSA. Justified that was, of course, but still interesting when I see what I'm seeing now.
 
Cephus said:
No, but we're not talking about threats, that is a crime. We're talking about people having opinions that you don't like.
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Did they (KKK) not threaten to kill (use lethal violence) people?
 
JANFU said:
Did they (KKK) not threaten to kill (use lethal violence) people?
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I don't know, we're not talking about the organization, we're talking about individual members. Did all of them threaten to use violence against people? Prove it.
 
Cephus said:
I don't know, we're not talking about the organization, we're talking about individual members. Did all of them threaten to use violence against people? Prove it.
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And that means what? You are talking about individual members.
Prove it was individual members that made the threats. You cannot.

Video 1.35 mark
KKK says Ferguson protests 'have awakened a sleeping giant' | MSNBC

KKK Threatens ‘Lethal Force' Against Ferguson Protesters And Appears on TV To Explain Why
 
Cephus said:
Um... threats cannot possibly be made on behalf of a group. Only a single person can voice a threat. Are you that dense?
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Members of a group can make threats -they call that down there a conspiracy to xxx do they not? Is that dense?
The Grand Poobah is not talking out of his ass, so clearly he had support of members.
 
JANFU said:
Members of a group can make threats -they call that down there a conspiracy to xxx do they not? Is that dense?
The Grand Poobah is not talking out of his ass, so clearly he had support of members.
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Yes, members of a group can, that doesn't make the whole group responsible for the threat. Only the individual who issued the threat or who actually act on the threat is actually responsible for it.
 
Amazing.

I guarantee you that many (though probably not all) of the people who voted 'no' do support the Patriot Act and Gitmo. Those that do are supremely hypocritical.

You freak out about Anonymous de-hooding KKK scum bags but you are fine with the U.S. government detaining/torturing innocent people for years AND spying on innocent Americans at will.

Nothing is perfect and Anonymous will probably get a name or two wrong (which would be unfortunate). But to me it is worth it. Unmask the scum bag cowards..and do it NOW.

And if I could help them do it - I would.


BTW, the more I read the posts of those that are STRONGLY against what Anonymous are doing, the more I am convinced that at least some of them are either members of the KKK or at the very least have great sympathy for the group. They seem to be getting just a wee bit too excited about the subject for simple unbiased observers.
Maybe they do not want their names being released?
 
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Cephus said:
Yes, members of a group can, that doesn't make the whole group responsible for the threat. Only the individual who issued the threat or who actually act on the threat is actually responsible for it.
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And the group should be investigated by the authorities. Yes?
Why are the KKK up in arms, they are protected by their 1st amendment rights.
People like frank, the Grand Poobah, are the type that takes Ferguson, and their will be more, and adds fuel to the fire, and at some point in tie this will result in a lot of people killed.
For me at times it is the lesser of 2 evils.
My personal opinion is bring racists into the light of day and watch them wither.
And for the Libertarians, well we can let market forces work, if companies choose to fire these employees, well they should support that.
 
The intrusion on privacy must stop somewhere, whether you approve of the group or not.

There was an article on Drudge the other day that said some professor had figured out a simple way to obtain the names of all who had visited online Pornography sites in the past year. Let that get around, that will end hacking immediately and forever.
 
JANFU said:
And the group should be investigated by the authorities. Yes?
Why are the KKK up in arms, they are protected by their 1st amendment rights.
People like frank, the Grand Poobah, are the type that takes Ferguson, and their will be more, and adds fuel to the fire, and at some point in tie this will result in a lot of people killed.
For me at times it is the lesser of 2 evils.
My personal opinion is bring racists into the light of day and watch them wither.
And for the Libertarians, well we can let market forces work, if companies choose to fire these employees, well they should support that.
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Individuals in the group should be, if there have been threats. You cannot arrest a group. You cannot put a group in jail. You can only arrest individuals.
 
JANFU said:
Set the point of abortion to the side.
Did they threaten to kill people?
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From a pro-life perspective they kill around a million or so people in this country every year.
 
Cephus said:
Individuals in the group should be, if there have been threats. You cannot arrest a group. You cannot put a group in jail. You can only arrest individuals.
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Depends on the size of the group, is the group illegal under US Law- those that conspire to kill, main, attack, can be charged under multiple offences.
Yet no investigation, near, shirking incitement by the GP.
What does the KKK have to fear?
I am sure they are White and Proud.
It would be hilarious for someone to have Franks DNA for a test.
I bet they are in favor of the one drop rule.
I am sure you have heard the racial slur regarding the woodpile.
 
jamesrage said:
From a pro-life perspective they kill around a million or so people in this country every year.
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Not even a decent deflection. Abortion is not the OP.
 
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