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Should the Officer have been fired/suspended?

Should the Officer have been fired/suspended?

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le bouffon said:
Source please.
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http://lwvcharleston.org/files/spp_disturbing_schools_act.pdf

(A) It shall be unlawful:
(1)
For any person willfully or unnecessarily
(a) to interfere with or to
disturb in any way or in any place the students or teachers of any school or
college in this State, (b) to loiter about such school or colle
ge premises or
(c) to act in an obnoxious manner thereon;
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http://lwvcharleston.org/files/spp_disturbing_schools_act.pdf

A student can be arrested for saying a swear word. And they have been. This disturb schools law is quite broad and covers pretty much everything. It is illegal for students to disturb schools.
 
Interesting that the students today held a walkout in support of the deputy.
 
spangledbanner said:
It is the responsibility of the teacher to get all students out of classroom. But this was not fight or verbal confrontation. The student was asked to leave room and refused. then security is called and the student is again asked nicely to get up from seat and cooperate but she refuses. The officer was very patient but clearly the girl needed to be physically removed.

I agree that policy should be updated to require the teacher to evacuate classroom if a belligerent student refuses to cooperate with police and must be physically removed. In the video you can see that a student sitting behind the belligerent student is almost hit in the face with the desk when the student refuses to let go of the desk while being arrested. I agree that teacher must evacuate rooms in situations like this but under current policy it does not seem to be required - only in event of fight or verbal confrontation. There was no fight here physical or verbal - just a belligerent student that had disturbed schools. The police officer has done nothing wrong and it is not his responsibility to evacuate classroom anyway -

"teacher should order all students to exit the room immediately for their own safety."

The cop has done nothing wrong and he should sue.

edit- the officer has tried to deescalate. What more could he do? She refused to obey his orders. he had no other option than to physically remove her.

What new policy should focus on is responsibility of the student. Most important is that they obey police orders. If they dont in real world they could be killed and it will be their own fault. Citizens must obey the police. Students too.

edit- All this Black Lives Matter nonsense has people thinking that they do not have to obey police orders. In almost every youtube video that demonizes police the belligerent has failed to obey police orders and has resisted arrest. People must obey the police and stop resisting arrest.

If people cooprate with police instead of being hostile there would be no youtube videos demonizing police.
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We have no video prior to the escalation.
Next- the Rules are clears as to his duties.
he failed.
My failing was what you in the US consider to be an LEO- Nothing more than a qualified Security Guard.
Up here, Canada, from my uninformed opinion, an LEO is a fully qualified Law Enforcement Officer. Not a Security Guard with certain qualifications.
The reason I made this error, the LEO, RCMP officer assigned to my Granddaughters school was murdered earlier this year.
That is the only reason I voted, not to be fired. I had the impression, mistakenly that he was a Police Officer.
Sadly I cannot change my vote based upon the clear evidence he was performing outside of his clearly defined rules.
 
jimbo said:
I have only what I read in the OP and similar articles.

"Kenny said the incident started when her math teacher told the other girl to give up her cell phone. The girl refused and defied orders from the teacher and an administrator to leave the classroom.

That's when Fields was called in, Kenny said. The school resource officer asked the girl to leave the classroom with him."

Somewhere I read that the principle was involved. Not sure about that. That's why I said 3 or 4.

Bottom line: The girl was asked to put away her cell phone. She didn't. She was then asked to leave the classroom. She wouldn't. She was asked to cooperate with the officer. She refused. Actions have consequences. Bad actions generally have bad consequences.
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And well outside of his well defined duties and responsibilities.
We can think, this that and whatever, but he screwed to pooch.
 
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spangledbanner said:
The teacher called for the officer to intervene.

What do you want to do when student disturbs police in situation like this? Stand around all day negotiating with student to leave her seat? This is ludicrous. At that rate no students will have a chance to learn a thing. This is why disturb school laws are needed. To prevent students from disturbing schools.

At the point that the officer 'intervened' he was not exactly intervening' at all was he? He was arresting the student for disturbing schools. All options had been exhausted and she was under arrest. She resisted arrest and that is why he had to forcibly remove her. He has done nothing wrong.
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Read the link - posts 152- thru 155. This was a school administration issue.
 
JANFU said:
We have no video prior to the escalation.
Next- the Rules are clears as to his duties.
he failed.
My failing was what you in the US consider to be an LEO- Nothing more than a qualified Security Guard.
Up here, Canada, from my uninformed opinion, an LEO is a fully qualified Law Enforcement Officer. Not a Security Guard with certain qualifications.
The reason I made this error, the LEO, RCMP officer assigned to my Granddaughters school was murdered earlier this year.
That is the only reason I voted, not to be fired. I had the impression, mistakenly that he was a Police Officer.
Sadly I cannot change my vote based upon the clear evidence he was performing outside of his clearly defined rules.
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Ok. Good debate.
 
JANFU said:
And well outside of his well defined duties and responsibilities.
We can think, that that and whatever, but he screwed to pooch.
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Yes, he did. It is clearly defined, and we can all see it. His boss saw it. Everybody saw it. I don't care if some kids supported him, or non-law enforcement types like the failure adults in the room (teacher and VP) who backed his use of horrific violence. Nope. Screwed up and met the consequences. He needs to move on, and so do his apologists.
 
Wasn't that guy also a football coach at the school? Maybe the kids were football kids and their friends? Any word on who they were?
 
Cephus said:
I don't see that there was any particular misconduct. If someone does not respect the authorities and refuses to abide by their commands, they have every right to escalate the situation until they do.
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Oh, BULL ****. You honestly think a cop has every right to flip over a desk with a student still in it when the cop is not subject to any sort of physical threat? Holy authoritarianism, Batman.

Not only should he be fired, he should be arrested.
 
Cephus said:
Yes. Legitimate authority. I know you libertarians are delusional and think no such thing exists, but that's your problem.
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wait a minute. real libertarians support police departments etc as legitimate. Its one of the main legitimate functions of government. and I note the OWS turds got maced or pepper sprayed when refusing a lawful order not to block others from accessing facilities. This student was being an asshole pure and simple.
 
TurtleDude said:
wait a minute. real libertarians support police departments etc as legitimate. Its one of the main legitimate functions of government. and I note the OWS turds got maced or pepper sprayed when refusing a lawful order not to block others from accessing facilities. This student was being an asshole pure and simple.
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Explain that to Henrin, won't you? He doesn't seem to understand.
 
Ancient Herald said:
Maybe that girl is a very unpopular girl in that school?
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Sure...and maybe they knew she was being a douche. Or maybe they are smart enough to see what is coming when the inmates are allowed to run the asylum.
 
Cephus said:
We'll see what the courts have to say, won't we?
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Certainly. If it ever gets there. If I was the kids parents I'd be pushing hard fir criminal charges, his being fired is a point against him when it comes time to argue qualified immunity and I'd be filing a federal 1983 civil rights suit.
 
TurtleDude said:
wait a minute. real libertarians support police departments etc as legitimate. Its one of the main legitimate functions of government. and I note the OWS turds got maced or pepper sprayed when refusing a lawful order not to block others from accessing facilities. This student was being an asshole pure and simple.
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She probably was. It doesn't excuse excessive force.
 
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