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Is black-on-black crime relevant to the subject of black-on-white crime?

Is black-on-black crime relevant to the subject of black-on-white crime?

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Shadowless said:
to deny that structural racism exists is pretty ignorant.
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Ecofarm has tried, and failed, with this argument for years and he is very smart... why don't you give it a shot and we can see if you can do what he couldn't.
 
Luftwaffe said:
Oh please, make me laugh more.

And make my ex-illegal immigrant, Hispanic father laugh more too.

:lamo

What a ****ing joke idea.
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You honestly believe there's no disparity between how white people and black people are treated in the judicial system?
 
Shadowless said:
Systematic racism exists. You and I as white people aren't directly responsible, but to deny that structural racism exists is pretty ignorant. I want to give you the benefit of the doubt here.
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My dad is about this color...

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But granted, I came out looking a lot more like my British/Scottish mom, so I guess you could kind of lump me in as "white."
 
spud_meister said:
You honestly believe there's no disparity between how white people and black people are treated in the judicial system?
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There sure is. Blacks are committing far too many crimes.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Right... systemic racism (lead by white people) leads black people to break laws. Thanks for that insight.
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Luftwaffe said:
The notion that "systemic racism" and "The white man is keeping us back!" is ****ing retarded
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And even though Racism has abated in the last 50 Years...
"White Racism" is also responsible for the Tripling of the Black out of Wedlock bith rate: 70%.. which leads to alot of poverty.
 
spud_meister said:
You honestly believe there's no disparity between how white people and black people are treated in the judicial system?
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No, but nor do I think that the system is so rigged that blacks in the ghetto can claim that "THE SYSTEM IS 10000000% RESPONSIBLE AND I HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY DESPITE THE FACT THAT I ****ED AROUND IN SCHOOL, NOW WHERE ARE MY REPARATIONS!"
 
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mbig said:
And even though Racism has abated in the last 50 Years...
"White Racism" is also responsible for the Tripling of the Black out of Wedlock bith rate: 70%.. which leads to alot of poverty.
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I might be way off but are you saying that white people/racism leads to blacks having children out of wedlock?
 
Bodhisattva said:
I am colour blind...
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He's brown, but I came out white (my mom is white and my dad is, genetically at least, a little over half white).

But unsurprisingly, the system didn't keep him in poverty, and keep in mind this was a guy whose father taught him how to steal...
 
Shadowless said:
That's a ridiculous cultural argument. I grew up in a white middle class neighborhood with plenty of divorce and single mothers. It's simply not true.

Poverty and Crime: Breaking a Vicious Cycle of Discrimination
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Take your anecdotal evidence, and place it in the trash, because that's how worthwhile it is. Look at the actual statistics.

National Center for Fathering said:
As supported by the data below, children from fatherless homes are more likely to be poor, become involved in drug and alcohol abuse, drop out of school, and suffer from health and emotional problems. Boys are more likely to become involved in crime, and girls are more likely to become pregnant as teens.
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Emphasis mine.

The Consequences of Fatherlessness | National Center for Fathering
 
Bodhisattva said:
I might be way off but are you saying that white people/racism leads to blacks having children out of wedlock?
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No.
I put "White Racism" in quotes, and made the Logical point that the abatement of Racism over the last 50 years is OBVIOUSLY NOT responsible for Black out of wedlock births tripling.
Jesus, I can't have made the point much more obviously.
 
I think it is relevant, yes. In NY 95% of all murder victims are black or hispanic; 95% of all shooting victims are black or hispanic; 90% of those arrested for murder, 96% of those arrested for shooting, are black or hispanic. In fact it seems black and hispanic figure rather heavily in all crime. But what's most significant about this, in my mind, is that we afford minorities a greater tolerance. If crime were largely committed by white people we would deal with it much more harshly, harsh enough to ensure a sufficient deterrent. Instead we are gently removing people from society and building ever bigger jails.
 
Luftwaffe said:
He's brown, but I came out white (my mom is white and my dad is, genetically at least, a little over half white).

But unsurprisingly, the system didn't keep him in poverty, and keep in mind this was a guy whose father taught him how to steal...
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It only goes to show that thieves can become rich?
 
phattonez said:
There sure is. Blacks are committing far too many crimes.
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They're also more likely to receive jail time than white committing the same crimes. They're more likely to receive longer sentences than whites committing the same crimes. They're more likely to be arrested than whites committing the same crime.

There is a disparity based solely on race, not on crime or recidivism.
 
Luftwaffe said:
No, but nor do I think that the system is so rigged that ghetto blacks can claim that "THE SYSTEM IS 10000000% RESPONSIBLE AND I HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY DESPITE THE FACT THAT I ****ED AROUND IN SCHOOL, NOW WHERE ARE MY REPARATIONS!"
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Haha, take your racist attitude elsewhere. The Blaze might be right or you ;)

The system is rigged BEYOND race, it is simply one of the factors.
 
joG said:
It only goes to show that thieves can become rich?
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Except he never stole, and never even went on welfare despite being more than qualified for it.

I'm tired of this system keeping me down bull****. Minorities, especially blacks, need to take some GODDAMN ****ING RESPOSNIBILITY.

All of it? Perhaps not, as we've seen with Eric Garner, there is some racism. But to claim that the system is solely or even mostly at fault is ****ing stupid.

We have a mixed black president for ****'s sake and a black Attorney General and so on.
 
Shadowless said:
That's a ridiculous cultural argument. I grew up in a white middle class neighborhood with plenty of divorce and single mothers. It's simply not true.

Poverty and Crime: Breaking a Vicious Cycle of Discrimination
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Yes, but white middle class single mothers have child support payments in a timely basis and perhaps even alimony, and probably has a professional job because they weren't arrested at age 16 for a couple of joints even though those white women probably smoked as much weed as the black woman, probably had their kids at a "respectable" age having had access to quality healthcare, whereas the non-whites in who are starting in poverty often end up with teen births and more than intended.......

Just not the same. Single parenting (usually unwed, not divorced, hence no payments) for those already suffering the economic and opportunity setbacks of systemic racism is considerably more difficult than the average middle class divorced mother.
 
Shadowless said:
Haha, take your racist attitude elsewhere. The Blaze might be right or you ;)

The system is rigged BEYOND race, it is simply one of the factors.
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Racist? I didn't say blacks, I specifically used a term referring to a group within the blacks, "ghetto blacks."

It's no different than me making a statement about white trash, not about white people in general.
 
spud_meister said:
They're also more likely to receive jail time than white committing the same crimes. They're more likely to receive longer sentences than whites committing the same crimes. They're more likely to be arrested than whites committing the same crime.

There is a disparity based solely on race, not on crime or recidivism.
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Same as with females. The get lighter sentences than men.
 
Luftwaffe said:
He's brown, but I came out white (my mom is white and my dad is, genetically at least, a little over half white).

But unsurprisingly, the system didn't keep him in poverty, and keep in mind this was a guy whose father taught him how to steal...
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I am Scottish and English white all the way back, heritage is about as white as white people get... although I have a great tan.
 
Summerwind said:
Yes, but white middle class single mothers have child support payments in a timely basis and perhaps even alimony, and probably has a professional job because they weren't arrested at age 16 for a couple of joints even though those white women probably smoked as much weed as the black woman, probably had their kids at a "respectable" age having had access to quality healthcare, whereas the non-whites in who are starting in poverty often end up with teen births and more than intended.......

Just not the same. Single parenting (usually unwed, not divorced, hence no payments) for those already suffering the economic and opportunity setbacks of systemic racism is considerably more difficult than the average middle class divorced mother.
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And this excuses the crimes and all? I think we have tried that approach to civil rights and should admit that it has failed.
 
Shadowless said:
It says "crime", being fatherless does not lead directly to violence. You ignore a lot of other factors as well.

I have figured out you are a racist, so no point in debating with you. Society will have to overcome people like you.
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It's racist to talk about the problem of fatherlessness? Okay. Then I'm a racist. So what? Does that make anything that I've said any less true?
 
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