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Ben Carson for President? [W:12, 62]

Is Dr. Ben Carson too meek to be President of The United States?

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This isn't about whether or not you like Ben Carson nor is it about (D) or (R). This is just a question of whether or not you think he is too meek and humble to be POTUS.
 
Re: Ben Carson for President?

GunFora said:
This isn't about whether or not you like Ben Carson nor is it about (D) or (R). This is just a question of whether or not you think he is too meek and humble to be POTUS.
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An interesting topic. There is certainly an element of bravado, egoism, and forcefulness that I would argue is a necessary element of being the President of the United States - particularly when you consider that the leader of the most powerful nation is routinely expected to motivate (through force if necessary) other countries and leaders to a particular point of view.

I would note that Dr. Carson probably does have those attributes as evidenced by the bravado and self-confidence necessary to become a pediatric surgeon and to speak up, publicly, as he did on political issues despite not having a political background. But, with that said, the perception is what is really important and the perception of other world leaders, in particular.

On the whole, I wouldn't say that Dr. Carson's "meekness" is a reason to avoid electing him (there are plenty of actual beliefs that he holds that would qualify), but it could become a strong enough factor that it prevents him from becoming the Republican Presidential Candidate. I would also note that his meekness might actually be viewed as a positive for a Vice Presidential candidate, though.
 
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MrT said:
An interesting topic. There is certainly an element of bravado, egoism, and forcefulness that I would argue is a necessary element of being the President of the United States - particularly when you consider that the leader of the most powerful nation is routinely expected to motivate (through force if necessary) other countries and leaders to a particular point of view.

I would note that Dr. Carson probably does have those attributes as evidenced by the bravado and self-confidence necessary to become a pediatric surgeon and to speak up, publicly, as he did on political issues despite not having a political background. But, with that said, the perception is what is really important and the perception of other world leaders, in particular.

On the whole, I wouldn't say that Dr. Carson's "meekness" is a reason to avoid electing him (there are plenty of actual beliefs that he holds that would qualify), but it could become a strong enough factor that it prevents him from becoming the Republican Presidential Candidate. I would also note that his meekness might actually be viewed as a positive for a Vice Presidential candidate, though.
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Very well-stated.
 
Re: Ben Carson for President?

GunFora said:
This isn't about whether or not you like Ben Carson nor is it about (D) or (R). This is just a question of whether or not you think he is too meek and humble to be POTUS.
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Carson is neither meek nor humble. The fact that someone is soft-spoken should never be mistaken for meekness or humility. "Speak softly and carry a big stick", remember? Not that Teddy adhered to the first part of his quote, but you get the point.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Carson is neither meek nor humble. The fact that someone is soft-spoken should never be mistaken for meekness or humility. "Speak softly and carry a big stick", remember? Not that Teddy adhered to the first part of his quote, but you get the point.
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Yeah meek was probably the wrong term to use.
 
Re: Ben Carson for President?

GunFora said:
This isn't about whether or not you like Ben Carson nor is it about (D) or (R). This is just a question of whether or not you think he is too meek and humble to be POTUS.
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In response to this Carson would probably say something along the lines of, "The meek shall inherit the Earth." But as a soft spoken person myself. I can't say this affects anyone's ability to lead or have profound changes in any organization. Carson has proved he can do this, and in all his campaign posters/portraits he looks like a very nice and compassionate guy.
 
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meek is the term i would use

he seems like a great guy....a great neighbor, and probably a very decent man

but he doesnt seem "presidential"

he doesnt command the stage....or have that "it" factor

he is very soft spoken, and would make a great member of a cabinet....seems wise, intelligent, and extremely thoughtful

but the wife and i both think he is missing something.....hard to put it in words.....

look at him, and then look at Rubio for example.....

you can SEE the difference....hear the difference....
 
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Carson is gaining popularity among some in the conservative base because he adheres to a fundamentalist extremist right wing philosophy on many social issues that the fringe hold near and dear. His polling at around 20% or so represent the fringe element within the party.

No, he will not win any general election and I sincerely doubt he would win the primaries. Same goes for Ted Cruz. Despite what right wingers, living in a bubble on this forum might think, most Americans do not subscribe to his particular brand of extremism on issues like abortions, religion, gay marriage, etc. He has no fundamental understanding of economics or foreign policy. He's weak in debates. He continually makes stupid comments that are awkward.

Get real people.
 
Re: Ben Carson for President?

akrunner88 said:
Carson is gaining popularity among some in the conservative base because he adheres to a fundamentalist extremist right wing philosophy on many social issues that the fringe hold near and dear. His polling at around 20% or so represent the fringe element within the party.

No, he will not win any general election and I sincerely doubt he would win the primaries. Same goes for Ted Cruz. Despite what right wingers, living in a bubble on this forum might think, most Americans do not subscribe to his particular brand of extremism on issues like abortions, religion, gay marriage, etc. He has no fundamental understanding of economics or foreign policy. He's weak in debates. He continually makes stupid comments that are awkward.

Get real people.
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"fundamentalist extremist right wing philosophy"? :lamo:lamo:lamo

What's "extremist" about Ben Carson?
 
Re: Ben Carson for President?

GunFora said:
"fundamentalist extremist right wing philosophy"? :lamo:lamo:lamo

What's "extremist" about Ben Carson?
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Denying rape victims access to abortion and cases where the mothers life is in jeapordy or question on a case by case basis only for instance.

His views on evolution and the age of the earth.


His positions on gays.

His constant comparisons to any policy he disagrees with to that of the Nazi's.

All things the idiots on this forum will deny are considered extremism among the right but that the American public on a whole do think. And your job in a general election is to win over the support of centrists, independents, millenials, Hispanics, women, etc. Not your toothless hillbilly retard uncle and other old white people.
 
Re: Ben Carson for President?

MrT said:
An interesting topic. There is certainly an element of bravado, egoism, and forcefulness that I would argue is a necessary element of being the President of the United States - particularly when you consider that the leader of the most powerful nation is routinely expected to motivate (through force if necessary) other countries and leaders to a particular point of view.

I would note that Dr. Carson probably does have those attributes as evidenced by the bravado and self-confidence necessary to become a pediatric surgeon and to speak up, publicly, as he did on political issues despite not having a political background. But, with that said, the perception is what is really important and the perception of other world leaders, in particular.

On the whole, I wouldn't say that Dr. Carson's "meekness" is a reason to avoid electing him (there are plenty of actual beliefs that he holds that would qualify), but it could become a strong enough factor that it prevents him from becoming the Republican Presidential Candidate. I would also note that his meekness might actually be viewed as a positive for a Vice Presidential candidate, though.
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Let me remind the people that Thomas Jefferson was rather a meek person in those ways pertinent to this discussion. He did not have a commanding voice and did not seek the podium, but what came through his hand from his mind won respect the world over.
 
Re: Ben Carson for President?

akrunner88 said:
Carson is gaining popularity among some in the conservative base because he adheres to a fundamentalist extremist right wing philosophy on many social issues that the fringe hold near and dear. His polling at around 20% or so represent the fringe element within the party.

No, he will not win any general election and I sincerely doubt he would win the primaries. Same goes for Ted Cruz. Despite what right wingers, living in a bubble on this forum might think, most Americans do not subscribe to his particular brand of extremism on issues like abortions, religion, gay marriage, etc. He has no fundamental understanding of economics or foreign policy. He's weak in debates. He continually makes stupid comments that are awkward.

Get real people.
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Moderator's Warning:
NONE of which is in any way, shape, or form actually applicable to discussing the topic of this thread.

Folks, the question is regarding the tone, presentation, and temperament of Ben Carson and whether or not you feel that would work as a President. I suggest people focus on that topic and refrain from making posts, or responding to posts, by people obviously attempting to derail it into something else. There's plenty of other threads talking about Ben Carson's stances or views, this is not one of those threads
 
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A true leader, and the most successful leaders and shapers of the future, are soft of voice and strong of will and commitment.

As Theodore Roosevelt said, "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far." A proverb advising the tactic of caution and non-aggression, backed up by the ability to be overwhelmingly aggressive, but only if required.
 
Re: Ben Carson for President? [W:12]

GunFora said:
This isn't about whether or not you like Ben Carson nor is it about (D) or (R). This is just a question of whether or not you think he is too meek and humble to be POTUS.
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Compared to Trump, ANYBODY would be considered meek and humble.

As the son of a man who was very humble and without even a trace of bravado, but strong as can be, I consider these traits of Carson to be an advantage, not disadvantage.
 
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I don't know that I would classify Carson as meek. He says outrageous things but his tone never matches the bombastic substance of his words. To be honest, he creeps me the hell out.
 
Re: Ben Carson for President?

American said:
Let me remind the people that Thomas Jefferson was rather a meek person in those ways pertinent to this discussion. He did not have a commanding voice and did not seek the podium, but what came through his hand from his mind won respect the world over.
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I didn't know Thomas Jefferson, but Carson is no Thomas Jefferson.

(with apologies to Lloyd Bentsen)
 
Re: Ben Carson for President?

American said:
Let me remind the people that Thomas Jefferson was rather a meek person in those ways pertinent to this discussion. He did not have a commanding voice and did not seek the podium, but what came through his hand from his mind won respect the world over.
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Thomas Jefferson was President at an extremely different time, so I don't believe that he offers much guidance for Dr. Carson.
 
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MrT said:
Thomas Jefferson was President at an extremely different time, so I don't believe that he offers much guidance for Dr. Carson.
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Your opinion.
 
Re: Ben Carson for President? [W:12]

GunFora said:
This isn't about whether or not you like Ben Carson nor is it about (D) or (R). This is just a question of whether or not you think he is too meek and humble to be POTUS.
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I cannot imagine a physician in an executive job.

Physicians although bright exhibit the stupidest judgment in any business or financial setting.

So I cannot imagine him in government either. And least of which not in the top job in the Nation.

I can't believe he is even running -- waste of time and money.

His personal tone seems fine as a bedside manner for a surgeon but completely incompatible with running a Nation.

He would certainly be perfect as surgeon general. But that would be the only Federal government job he is cut out for.
 
Re: Ben Carson for President? [W:12]

GunFora said:
This isn't about whether or not you like Ben Carson nor is it about (D) or (R). This is just a question of whether or not you think he is too meek and humble to be POTUS.
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Not too meek. Too inexperienced.
 
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Who was Bensen? Wasn't he the Butler on some bad 80's sitcom?

And I voted yes. If only they'd also had a choice of too meek and a religious fruitcake, the choice would have been much easier.
 
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He is not qualified. Republicans are only supporting him because he is black and they don't want to look racist. He is an affirmative action clown that would not have gotten in to med school if he wasn't black.
 
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American said:
Let me remind the people that Thomas Jefferson was rather a meek person in those ways pertinent to this discussion. He did not have a commanding voice and did not seek the podium, but what came through his hand from his mind won respect the world over.
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People don't realize that Jefferson was NOT a very good POTUS either.
 
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