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Thread: What Part of the Constitution Would you change?

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    Re: What Part of the Constitution Would you change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    Telling Neo-Nazis where and when they can hold a political rally is different from banning flag burning. An equivelent ban would be to tell Neo-Nazis they were not allowed to use the "Heil Hitler" salute, or were not allowed to goose step.
    Nope. Setting things on fire is one way to express dissent. What the 1st Amendment forbids is the federal government telling you you cannot express dissent, not that you cannot do it on a Wednesday, or on this particular street, or by setting things on fire, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    I'm curious, why do you want to ban flag burning?
    Do I have to want it banned to disagree with your logic?

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    I don't see how this simple act warrants such extraordinary measures, like amending our Constitution (and of course compromising our notion of free expression).
    Judicial activism is generally what forces patriotic people to such drastic measures.
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    Re: What Part of the Constitution Would you change?

    Nope. Setting things on fire is one way to express dissent. What the 1st Amendment forbids is the federal government telling you you cannot express dissent, not that you cannot do it on a Wednesday, or on this particular street, or by setting things on fire, etc.
    Burning a flag expresses things that talking about your dicontent cannot. It is those elements of dissent which you would forbid the expression of, which is unconstitutional.

    If there were to be a ban on a method of speech, that ban must be applied to all speech without regard to content.

    For example, The government can say that no one is allowed to march down a residential street a 3:00 in the morning. It cannot however say that only Pro-life groups are prohibited from marching down a residential street at 3:00 in the morning, while pro-choice groups are free to do so.

    So if you are going to ban flag burning, you have to ban burning everything else too.

    So no fireworks, no smoking, no campfires, no buring pictures of Hitler, no barbecues, no candles, etc...

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    Re: What Part of the Constitution Would you change?

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    If you could change one part of the Constitution without having to go through the normal channels, what would it be? Explain why.

    I said the 14th, because it was ratified illegally, at the tip of a bayonet, and reversed everything the federal government was designed to be.
    I realize you anti American right winger want to do away with the 1st Amendment. yet I am ready to go into the streets and the woods with my guns gauranteed by the third amendment to restore the democracy that the right wing fascist types hate.

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    Re: What Part of the Constitution Would you change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I would make a new amendment providing the president of the U.S. the line item veto........
    Maybe providing the President of the USA with no veto would be better.
    Especially if the man is retarded like out current president and a puppet on a string.

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    Re: What Part of the Constitution Would you change?

    I realize you anti American right winger want to do away with the 1st Amendment. yet I am ready to go into the streets and the woods with my guns gauranteed by the third amendment to restore the democracy that the right wing fascist types hate.


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    Re: What Part of the Constitution Would you change?

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub View Post
    Nope. Setting things on fire is one way to express dissent. What the 1st Amendment forbids is the federal government telling you you cannot express dissent, not that you cannot do it on a Wednesday, or on this particular street, or by setting things on fire, etc.
    OK. Let's say that I'm President of the United States. I have a reelection coming up, so I decide to place some of these types of "restrictions" on the types of dissent that can be expressed.

    Working with my congressional allies, I pass a law that says people can't express dissent on Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, or Saturday. You can express your dissent on Tuesdays, between the hours of 2:00 and 5:00 AM. Is this constitutional in Aquapub-world?

    Working with my congressional allies, I pass a law that says people can't express dissent near any major road, but if they want to express their dissent on in suburban neighborhoods, they're welcome to. Is this constitutional in Aquapub-world?

    Oh, and I pass a law that says they're welcome to express dissent, but they can't do it by setting anything on fire, or by using the internet, television, radio, or newspapers. And no magic-marker signs either. Is this constitutional in Aquapub-world?

    I haven't banned dissent entirely, so by your logic, these laws should be constitutional. Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by aquapub
    Judicial activism is generally what forces patriotic people to such drastic measures.
    Anyone who wants to ban freedom of speech is hardly patriotic.
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    Re: What Part of the Constitution Would you change?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragonslayer View Post
    I realize you anti American right winger want to do away with the 1st Amendment. yet I am ready to go into the streets and the woods with my guns gauranteed by the third amendment to restore the democracy that the right wing fascist types hate.
    BWUAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA.....

    Classic.....

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    Re: What Part of the Constitution Would you change?

    I would love to see the first amendment deal strictly with speech not distorted as the left has done to allow flag burning which is an act not speech.........
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    Re: What Part of the Constitution Would you change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I would love to see the first amendment deal strictly with speech not distorted as the left has done to allow flag burning which is an act not speech.........
    Heck I'd be happy if the left would stop confusing free speech with freedom from criticism from other private citizens or a freedom to disrupt others speech.
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    Re: What Part of the Constitution Would you change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger View Post
    Heck I'd be happy if the left would stop confusing free speech with freedom from criticism from other private citizens or a freedom to disrupt others speech.
    We rarely agree it seems, but here you're spot on. Private citizens or corporations protesting, restricting, criticizing, or even censoring speech is perfectly constitutional and to require otherwise would be a gross breach of the ideals of the First Amendment.
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