Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy

Please show poster's direct quotes, NP.

Originally Posted by Iriemon

We already won it. Or was this just a blatant lie:

Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

Yes that ship's mission was accomplished. Are you perpetrating a lie?

Originally Posted by Harshaw

You seem to have completely lost track of what this discussion is about. Pointing out all these reasons why we're going to lose doesn't change the fact that in so doing, you're embracing that defeat.

I do not need to show that we're going to win order for that to be true. Your continued arguments that it's unwinnable only bolster the point.

Originally Posted by Harshaw

You apparently continue to equate what I'm saying with blind Bush loyalty, despite what I said to the contrary.

Originally Posted by Harshaw

I guess, though, I'm providing you an outlet for the rants you have pent up -- where can I send the bill for the therapy?

Originally Posted by Harshaw

Yes, we get it; you're certain of failure. That's crystal clear. But all the reasons you're spewing are superfluous to the point of the discussion. See above.

Originally Posted by realquest 6ggwr44q

Harshaw your responses are quite insipid and just down right sad. You seem to have no case to make for your positions. The sooner we embrace the reality of the situation in Iraq the sooner we stop losing lives for a hopeless cause. Defeat is to continue to be too stubborn, arrogant and stupid to realise your sending Americans to their death for nothing and your spending us into historic useless debts.




I appreciate you agreed Bush made horrific mistakes with Iraq, but it is baffling that you still trust him and want to follow his new Iraq Study Group plan. So yes it seems to me you have an unusually degree of devotion to Bush's judgement and strategies. Maybe you've been listening to too many Limbaughs , Hannitys etc. cause they only talk of victory in Iraq but can't explain how it can happen in a realistic way other than hoping some magic happens, and they too want to ignore all history and the facts about Islamic cultures.

The USA through the CIA engineered the overthrow of the Iranian government in the 50's which eventually led to the Islamic religious extremism we see there today and now we are really responsible for much of the menace we face from Iran through our meddling in their affairs. The CIA thought they could win their too.



Your insulting me and my arguments as rants of a mentally ill person doesn't help make up for your lack of defence and sound reasoning for the policy you wish for. But many Americans will continue to die needlessly if our country keeps listening to voices like yours and I'm not shutting up just because I'm getting insulted for my stand.

This country's politicians nearly tricked me into going to Vietnam to die for their honor, stupidity and hopeless cause when I was too young to understand liars, politics and history. So if you don't like the way I'm fighting for the lives of the people you want wasted not to mention the insane debt you are getting us into that's too bad.




Harshaw you just give the impression you believe in your position because of your astrology charts or something mystic. Things like slavery weren't abolish through group hugs and holding hands and singing "cum ba ya, my lord" but only through people with courage enough to present many strong arguments that confounded the opposition. So the evil of Vietnam and now Iraq don't go away without persistent pressure from those who know what the right thing is and taking a stand.

Originally Posted by Iriemon

heh heh

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