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Let me get this straight. [W:152,665]
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In the Officer Wilson case, "corrupt, bad policing" is a lie.
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You might like Somalia.
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Yeah -- actual evidence is a "red herring" while your stubbornly insist that your imagination is all that counts.
Have you considered the conspiracy theory section as a possible destination for finding other posters with thought processes similar to yours?
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iLOL Wrong.
You clearly made a mistake.
It is there for everyone to see and now you have compounded your error with dishonesty.
iLOL Wrong.
I commented on what you said to Henrin, about Henrin. Not about anyone else.
You failed to follow that and obviously thought I was saying something other than what I said.
That was your inability to follow that confused you.
What you said was said to Henrin and was about Henrin. It insinuated that he was saying something racist that exposed him as being an in the closet racist, when he said nothing racist. Which is what I said in reply to your nonsense.
Yes you did, and you were wrong for saying it. There is no need to go further back as that was specifically what I was commented on. That statement. Nothing else.
I commented on what you said to Henrin, about Henrin. Not about anyone else, and not on something someone else said.
Duh! Which exposed you as not following.
Dishonesty.
Don't blow your cover Henrin - of all the things I have disagreed with you on - I never took you for a racist.
You are again exposing your inability to follow.
It is evidently clear that I know that wasn't about Henrin as I told you; "Henrin did not say that." Duh!
We were not speaking about anyone else other than what you said, to Henrin, about Henrin. To suggest otherwise is daft.
Your inability to follow lead you to think that something else was being spoken about, when it wasn't.
iLOL Ha, ha, ha.
Yes it actually does apply to you, as everyone can see.
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No Moot. That is not what was reported. It was reported that there was no A or B Felony convictions as a juvenile.
Not that there were no juvenile records.
The fact that the Court had not decided to release the full record means there is a record. What that contains remains unknown. It could contain a Class C felony as well as class A, B, or C charges that had not been adjudicated.
Cynthia Harcourt, a lawyer for St. Louis County Juvenile Officer Kip Seely, noted that some juvenile records and proceedings are open to the public: those that concern crimes that would be Class A or B felonies if a juvenile had been charged as an adult. But there were none for Brown.
After the hearing, the Post-Dispatch sought out Harcourt to clarify her statement. She told the Post-Dispatch that Brown was not facing any Class A or B charges when he died, either.
Class A felonies include second-degree murder and first-degree robbery; the penalties in adult court range from 10 years in prison to death. Class B felonies include voluntary manslaughter, second-degree robbery and first-degree burglary, with a maximum penalty of five to 15 years.
It is not known whether Brown had ever been accused of lesser offenses. Class C felonies, for example, which include involuntary manslaughter and second-degree assault, would become open only if there were two previous adjudications for class A, B or C felonies. That was not the case with Brown.
Juvenile court: Michael Brown had no most-serious felony convictions or pending cases
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You calling out?
iLOL
Veiled attempt? D'oh!
What I said was factual.
Blacks disproportionately commit more crime. That means by race they are more harmful to society as a whole.
Do you really not understand that?
Maybe you should reread the OP as it incorporated black crime as hurting society.
Discussing black crime as we are doing certainly pertains to what was in the OP.
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This nonsense of yours here deserves its own post separate from the rest of your nonsense.
1. Your failure to pay attention and follow has lead you to make false assumptions. Had you paid attention and followed what was said, you would have known that I did not use a "white nationalist" site.
I pointed out that another poster linked to that information on that site, I then continued to show you that it came from another site [National Review], which was written by Heather Mac Donald who is the Thomas W. Smith fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a contributing editor at City Journal.
2. They were not distorted figures. That is an unadulterated lie.
3. We are speaking about behavior which we classify as crime.
Twin studies show behavior has a genetic relation apart from nurture. Which makes your claim lame.
4. Your claim that I am a racist is a lie.
5. Your false claims here establishes before everyone that you do not pay attention, are unable to follow, and let your own convoluted thoughts make up untrue bs to believe.
I pointed out that another poster linked to that information on that site, I then continued to show you that it came from another site [National Review], which was written by Heather Mac Donald who is the Thomas W. Smith fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a contributing editor at City Journal.
(And it doesn't matter if you think it is far right or not. Dismissing the information because it is hosted on a site you think it is right leaning, far right or even racist, is a logical fallacy. The only thing that matters is if the information is accurate.Which in this case, it is.)
2. They were not distorted figures. That is an unadulterated lie.
3. We are speaking about behavior which we classify as crime.
Twin studies show behavior has a genetic relation apart from nurture. Which makes your claim lame.
4. Your claim that I am a racist is a lie.
5. Your false claims here establishes before everyone that you do not pay attention, are unable to follow, and let your own convoluted thoughts make up untrue bs to believe.
All you have done by this bs and in this thread is establish yourself as the racist person by calling others racist who are not.
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iLOL
Your reply is lame after what has been stated in regards to 2010 data.
If you want the numbers directly from the BJS you are going to have to request it from them.
As it is, the numbers are consistent with the published data from the previous years.
And what those numbers reflect in the graphic, as broken down, are accurate.
1. Of course it remains true.
2. The point isn't about being affected by there own criminals, so that is irrelevant.
It is about being affected by criminals of another races.
Blacks are disproportionately more violent to other races than those races are to them.
It is also about blacks being disproportionally more violent than other races over all.
Read the emboldened.
iLOL
Uhg. No. Me not trudging into conspiracy.
What me stated was factual. Uhg.
D'oh!
Dismissing based on source is a logical fallacy, especially as it was a originally published elsewhere.
Had you been paying attention you would have known that.
(And yeah, even though this had already been pointed out to you, I see you later noticed it.)
You clearly do not pay attention. Why?You got this lie of an image from this site - New DOJ Statistics on Race and Violent Crime | American RenaissanceIn general, black on white crime has been greater than white on black crime. And that doesn't tell the whole story as you then have to break it down by population size. Blacks disproportionately commit far more crime than the other races do, especially violent crimes.
Anyone could have followed the information provided and see it came from the National Review, and was only reposted at AR.
But not you. Why?
I even quoted from NR so you could see where the information came from and understand what was being said about that special tabulation.
Did you really not understand the obvious reasons the following was provided was because it was speaking about the information in the graphic? Really?
And no, it does not matter where the information comes from as long as it is accurate. And in this case, coming from the BJS, it is.
No, your cover is blown.
You are too emotionally wrapped up in this to see the truth, and that is based on your own convoluted racist thoughts.
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Irrelevant to the fact that the vast majority of those in poverty are not committing crimes.
To suggest it is related to poverty when the vast majority in poverty are not committing violent crimes, let alone crimes, indicates your position is nothing more than an excuse.
And again you fail to pay attention and follow. Figures.
It seems to be habitual. And because you don't, I have reservations that you do not even know what is being spoken about.
Regardless, yes I did, go back and read it.
iLOL
The claim has already been substantiate on this forum. You can find it.
Nor do you need the information to attempt to disprove what I said. All you need is what I said. And that is the onus you have to meet to establish what I said was wrong. Your only problem is that you can't.
iLOL
This isn't a rebuttal.
The vast majority of those in poverty are not committing crime, let alone violent.
And no, a vast majority of those who commit crime are not from impoverished households.
Apparently you just do not know what "vast" means?
iLOL
More bs from you.
Again your strawmen do not fly.
As for distortion and ignorance. iLOL You only speak of your self.
I can deal with the facts. Blacks are more violent than other races. Apparently you can't deal with that.
As for"vast", prove it.
iLOL No, it doesn't.
All you have done is make excuses for bad behavior.
Way to ignore the obvious and then follow through with irrelevancy.
There is a difference between the races in regards to this. Is it nature or nurture?
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As you said to others.
The charts were constructed using the BJS "special tabulation" data as found in the article at the National Review as obtained by the author of the article.
And no, that is not what the stats support.
Had you paid attention you would have known the information shown was from the special tabulated data.
You would hava also known that this was the first time BJS separated hispanics from the black and white categories. This is why there is a difference. Duh!
Which again really isn't relevant to the point of blacks being far more violent than other races.
iLOL
You were already told that the AR obtained the information from NR and that from the graphic from the special tabulation provided by the BJS. The information in those pie charts are directly related. And the site they come from even tell you how.
2. This is the most funny part of your post; "Described as." iLOL D'oh!
Doesn't matter what you think about a site. What matters is if the information is accurate. To dismiss it because you perceive a site a certain way is a logical fallacy and is irrelevant in debate.
Not that it matters one bit to reality but to then rely on a Wiki piece is even more hilarious.
It doesn't matter what someone else thinks about a site either.
Especially as your "Described as." is sourced to [Hari, Johann].
Johann Hari. iLOL Ha, ha, ha!
Wrong.
The charts were constructed using the BJS "special tabulation" data as found in the article at the National Review as obtained by the author of the article.
Like the word "vast", you apparently do not understand the word "rarely" either.
And no, that is not what the stats support.
The information in those pie charts come directly from the data in the graphic of the "special tabulation" provided by the BJS.
This is again your fault for not paying attention, for not following and for believing what you want to believe.
Had you paid attention you would have known the information shown was from the special tabulated data.
You would hava also known that this was the first time BJS separated hispanics from the black and white categories. This is why there is a difference. Duh!
Which again really isn't relevant to the point of blacks being far more violent than other races.
1. Somehow related?
iLOL
You were already told that the AR obtained the information from NR and that from the graphic from the special tabulation provided by the BJS. The information in those pie charts are directly related. And the site they come from even tell you how.
2. This is the most funny part of your post; "Described as." iLOL D'oh!
Doesn't matter what you think about a site. What matters is if the information is accurate. To dismiss it because you perceive a site a certain way is a logical fallacy and is irrelevant in debate.
Not that it matters one bit to reality but to then rely on a Wiki piece is even more hilarious.
It doesn't matter what someone else thinks about a site either.
Especially as your "Described as." is sourced to [Hari, Johann].
Johann Eduard Hari is a British writer and journalist who wrote columns for The Independent (London) and The Huffington Post and made contributions to other publications. In 2011, he was suspended from The Independent after charges of plagiarism. He was also accused of making improper edits to several of his critics' Wikipedia pages under a pseudonym.[SUP][1][2][/SUP] The news led to his returning his 2008 Orwell Prize[SUP][3][/SUP] and later was a contributing factor in his leaving The Independent.[SUP][4][/SUP]
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Johann Hari. iLOL Ha, ha, ha!
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It does matter that the site is far right. The source is heavily biased.
The narrative that was being spined that was derivative from that chart was a lie.
There is nothing genetic or inherently inherited about the disposition of criminal behavior.
You are racist. Plain and simple.
I've been on point from beginning to end. You are trying to save face and failing at it.
I've used the word racist to accurately describe those who have acted within the definition of that word. Calling a spade a spade does not make me racist.
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are they "perceived" to be more of a threat
or are they more of a threat?
there is a huge difference in those two statements
look at the fbi crime statistics.....blacks commit far more serious crimes than their counterparts based on % of population
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43
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No, it isn't. There's a Federal report that said the Ferguson police department routinely used unreasonable force, arrested people without probable cause, and violated the fourth amendment rights of Ferguson citizens. Wilson would not have stopped MB with such a innocuous excuse if he didn't think he could act with impunity against him.
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Nothing I have said is lame.
SO in other words you don't have the source for your claim. Then it's dismissed. Put it up or shut it up.
Blacks are disproportionately affected by poverty.
Vast majority of criminals of any race are linked to poverty.
The higher the poverty rate is in any given area the higher the crime.
You make the connection.
I read it. Your point?
You are comparing two different races that have nothing in common. The economic status nor the historical impacts of racism and on going racism are the same.
Either way - Black criminals are damn near unanimously poor. The vast majority of well of - stable income blacks are not committing crimes - Much like every other race who also live in stable and well off, if not wealthy, households/communities.
Your attempt to tie this to some inert or African specific characteristic is unfounded. It has nothing to do with black people being black.
The fallacy is using a chart that doesn't exist anywhere on the internet accept on white nationalist and far right websites.
And even then the chart is being used to create a ridiculously far off narrative about black people as a whole. It's all bullsh*t.
I've been nothing but strictly inline with this discussion. Don't blame me for your shortcomings.
Who the hell cares that it came form the National Review. Both AR and NR are far right wing Biased sites, one site is a White Nationalist beacon for bigoted racists. Your source is biased. Their articles are not objective. They are dismissed.
Nothing from "The Bible of American Conservatism" should be taken seriously in any intellectual discussion. I might as well quote sharpton to refute your every post.
The information provided so far has one nothing to do with my position in this thread and two are all from biased sources that affiliate with your lean. Data provided by stats is always subject to how those using the data choose to interpret what they mean. You are using far right narratives to explain the numbers of that data.
That data is meaningless without more context.
It always matters were the information is coming from. Absolutely.
[/quote]No, your cover is blown.
You are too emotionally wrapped up in this to see the truth, and that is based on your own convoluted racist thoughts.[/QUOTE]
You are a racist. Calling a duck a duck takes zero effort and zero emotions are spent.
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It is not irrelevant and it never will be. Your deflection is a sad ploy. The vast majority of criminals are impoverished. Poverty is an influence.
To suggest that poverty has no relevance when the vast majority of criminals are both poor and from impoverished communities indicated that you are a racist in denial who desperate want to hang criminal behavior on "something else - something specific to black people and no other race"
You have not provided a single thing that undermines the clear connection poverty has to crime.
I can't find what doesn't exist.
Nothing you have said in this thread or any thread or anywhere on this planet can refute the FACT that the vast majority of criminals are impoverished and come from poverty.
It is are rebuttal. One that destroys your argument without much effort.
The vast majority of the who are committing crimes are impoverished. This fact is not connecting with your racist narrative. Unfortunately you will have to figure out how to reconcile with that truth.
The vast majority of all crimes committed globally, let alone in this country, are tied to the impoverished. The simple fact that this remains true no matter the continent, country, city, town - irrefutably establishes that for those who do become criminals poverty played a role.
There isn't a single thing in this thread that I have said that is bs. :coffeepap
I haven't created a strawman. You are ignorant - that is simply an observation I have made. I made it long ago and you have reinforced it in this thread.
This isn't a fact. You're racist.
I already have. I provided you with countless links. All of which you dismissed as leftist garbage.
You prove that the vast majority of criminals arrest, in jail, or otherwise have no connection to poverty.
I haven't made any excuses. I have educated endlessly in an attempt to remedy you ignorance.
There is nothing obvious about anything you have said. It's racist garbage. Nothing more. Nothing less.
It's not nature - anyone who thinks it is - is a racist.
It is possibly nuture - which would inevitably have to address the high crime rate in impoverished communities and the high rate of poverty among black people, higher than any other race, and their obvious connection.
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Duplicate.
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This special tabulation chart -
one - does not prove that blacks are more violent than any other race.
Two - completely without context
and three - does not exist anywhere else than apparently on these far right wing and white nationalist websites. Go figure.
I understand it perfectly. The FBI charts I have provided - that are from an unbiased source further establish this. The fact that you need to use biased sites that affiliate with your lean is obvious that you are hellbent on one biased narrative being spun about blacks. Mainly because you are a racist. Through and through.
yes - the chart refers to all violent crimes. There is no specific crime being addressed. The is no context. There is not enough information to make any sort of conclusion about the the way black people think or an assertion that black people seek out other races for the sole purpose of hurting them as the AR article wants the world to believe.
Blacks are not more violent than other races. They are disproportionately effected by poverty than any other race and therefore exhibit the qualities of the impoverished that are common among the poverty world wide no matter the race.
The chart does not support your racist narrative.
NR is a far right biased site. Nothing they produce is without bias. Any stat 101 class will inform you that data can be subject to bias and used to create any narrative. The one you are clinging to is a racist one. One that is not true.
The source does matter. And to flippantly dismiss wiki - is a tired and trite attempt at deflection. Any wiki site I have ever used is completely sourced. So If you are unwilling to take their word for anything you can always follow the links in the article to the independent sources from the wiki is comprised of.
The national review describes its self as a voice for conservatism.
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Seriously get it together and pay attention Excon.
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Nope, I don't like Stormfront at all, even if black racists accuse me of such.
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Since it has already been illustrated (by charts you have presented, BTW) that Whites commit a near equal amount of crime that can be construed as being "harmful to society" as Blacks AND, the fact that those who commit such crimes typically commit them against those of their own race, it stands to reason that crimes committed by both Blacks and Whites are equally harmful to society. Neither race is a winner here in totality.
However, if you wish to say that Blacks who commit crimes against Blacks in predominately Black neighborhoods are destroying their neighborhoods, I can and would certainly agree with you there. But the same would hold true for White, Hispanic or even Asian (Chinese) neighborhoods as well. For when it comes down to it, we all tend to eat (destroy) our own. It is the nature of things.
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A revisit -
Blacks are a disproportionately impoverished racial community
Prisons of Poverty: Uncovering the pre-incarceration incomes of the imprisoned | Prison Policy Initiative
http://nationinside.org/images/pdf/The_Relationship_between_Poverty_and_Mass_Incarceration.pdf
Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Household Poverty and Nonfatal Violent Victimization, 2008–2012
Incarceration nation
http://www.vera.org/sites/default/files/resources/downloads/incarcerations-front-door-report.pdf
Poverty is linked to crime.
http://www.wafb.com/story/28814533/high-poverty-levels-lead-to-more-youth-crime
http://www.local10.com/news/10-publ...ncident-reports-in-miamidade-broward/32149912
https://www.clevelandfed.org/en/New...c housing concentrated poverty and crime.aspx
http://connection.sagepub.com/blog/...e-brain-account-for-high-rates-of-teen-crime/
http://www.poverties.org/poverty-and-crime.html
Blacks are a disproportionately impoverished racial community
Prisons of Poverty: Uncovering the pre-incarceration incomes of the imprisoned | Prison Policy Initiative
http://nationinside.org/images/pdf/The_Relationship_between_Poverty_and_Mass_Incarceration.pdf
Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Household Poverty and Nonfatal Violent Victimization, 2008–2012
Incarceration nation
http://www.vera.org/sites/default/files/resources/downloads/incarcerations-front-door-report.pdf
Poverty is linked to crime.
http://www.wafb.com/story/28814533/high-poverty-levels-lead-to-more-youth-crime
http://www.local10.com/news/10-publ...ncident-reports-in-miamidade-broward/32149912
https://www.clevelandfed.org/en/New...c housing concentrated poverty and crime.aspx
http://connection.sagepub.com/blog/...e-brain-account-for-high-rates-of-teen-crime/
http://www.poverties.org/poverty-and-crime.html
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I'm not going to speak for Gardener, but there is a HUGE difference between hating blacks and hating those of particular etiquette. Those in the latter group are specifically who many are calling thugs. If you'd stop defending thuggish behavior and calling everyone racist who confronts it, race relations might start heading back in the right direction.
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Yeah, I hate black people so much I keep saying how Martin Luther King was a great man.
Have you ever considered following his example even once in your life or are you just determined to say stupid things over and over and over?