The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

RightOfCenter said:

People moved from the squalor of their native lands to the squalor of ghettoes in New York, Chicago, or Boston or they scratched out a life subsitence farming on the plains. It continued to suck until technological progress was made making life better and more stable for everyone.

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What is so great about technology? Many people are enslaved by it i todays world..

RightOfCenter said:

He'd consider it an "adventure."

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Ahahaha

:rofl

bub said:

What about homeless people? (there are 2,000 of them just in Brussels!)
They don't starve, so...they aren't poor?
Try to sleep on the street...it's ****ing cold over here at night

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Do they grow the food? Do they have more than they need to they cann sell it(liker farmers have).. Do they have a steady supply of water and large land areas? No...

Ive slept under open skies many times.. I know its ****ing cold, its probably even colder in cities than in the countrysides yes.. Hehe.. I woudnt know..

Kandahar said:

Where are YOU from?

Whatever country it is, you're giving it a bad name. Have you ever even been to any of the countries you hate so much?

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Ive been all over.. I am from many countries. I live in many countries, I work in many countries.. I see the world, I know how it is... I have been to the US also..

I dont hate any country.. I just hate what is going on largely, and I wouldnt mind if all world politicians fell over dead, no..

Maximus Zeebra said:

For the average global citiwen, life still sucks big time, remember that!

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You know that those are people who wouldn't be alive at all 100 years ago, right?

There are more people who cannot feed themself now than there was people living a few hundred years ago...

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A greater percentage of people can feed themselves today than at any other time in history.

I suffer when they suffer.. I am helpess to do anything alone to change all this.

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Spare me the melodrama.

Maximus Zeebra said:

What is so great about technology?

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If you can't see how many people are saved by advances in the bio-engineering of crops and advances in modern medicine alone I doubt you'll ever understand.

Many people are enslaved by it i todays world..

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Go to Africa. Just for a vacation. See how people there like it without modern technology. It's better to be a comfortable user of technology than scratching at the dirt subsistence farming hoping the random chance of weather doesn't startve your family.

Maximus Zeebra said:

Many Russians are hyper intelligent, and their language sounds far more intelligent than English for example.. I would love to be able to speak Russian..

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Yes -- I'm sure you would -love- to live in a client state of the Soviet Union.

You know... where (self-styled) intellectuals and free thinkers like you are sent to a gulag (if not simply shot).

bub said:

I'm not sure about that. A Dutch is closer to a Brit than to a Greek.

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Our truest allies have always been the English speaking world. Britian, Australia, Canada, etc. The French have always tried to undermine us. Germany is Germany and hasn't been much of an ally for anything other than to behave. Russia was even an enemy during WWII. And the rest just trapse along.

And inside continental Europe the tribes barely get along while the EU acts as caulk covering the cracks.

Maximus Zeebra said:

Brits are morons.. Its and automatic society with people just being formal machines.. "hey, how do you do?", "fine, you", "care for tea", "yes, then I have to go to work and then get drunk to drown my miserable automatic existence"...

England is possibly the worst country in the world..

Aside from that there are disguisting people everywhere, its crammed, dirty, stinky and awful. Horrible women there also..

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In true DeGaul fashion. I am always thankful that you are on this site.

Maximus Zeebra said:

I dont hate any country.. I just hate what is going on largely, and I wouldnt mind if all world politicians fell over dead, no..

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Your problem is that you aren't being practical. Your disagreements are derived from contrasting your utopian idealized world to reality and then adding a pinch of nostalgia. You are failing to be practical while simultanously romanticizing history; you are deluding yourself.

scourge99 said:

Your problem is that you aren't being practical. Your disagreements are derived from contrasting your utopian idealized world to reality and then adding a pinch of nostalgia. You are failing to be practical while simultanously romanticizing history; you are deluding yourself.

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That is a good summation of what he is saying...thanks...

Maximus Zeebra said:

Shame is is that the US spent a trillion on the useless fu**ed up war in Iraq when the same amount could have created stability in much of Africa.. Remind me again, why exactly did the US go to Iraq? And why exactly didnt the US go to Africa instead?

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Briefly:

1) Moral obligation: Iraq's population rose up repeatedly at our calling only to find that we didn't come to their rescue. Instead we preserved the tyrant under UN rules, which saw thousands of Iraqis starve to death. We pretend to not have known, but the truth is that the UN saw no problems with moving "soveriegnty" to the side so that American troops oculd assist in the humanitarian crisis in the north for years and years while this was happening.

2) Bigger picture: With the Israeli/Palestinian situation being the most important factor for Muslims before "peace in the Middle East" becomes a reality, Hussein funded Palestinian suicide bombing was a problem that wasn't going away.

3) Regional threat: If we add Iran and Kuwait to his flying military jets over Jordanian and Saudi air space as late as 2002, that would equal "4" neighboring countries that he dismissed sovereinty over. If we wanted to factor in the true definition of "sovereignty," the never ending suicide bomber violence he promoted in Israel (brief mention of Gulf War rocketing) this invasion of sovereignty would be "5."

We really don't even need to go into to what a successful Democratic Iraq does for the region. But just with these three points, UN still saw nothing wrong with the status quo and the denial. Europeans and plenty of Americans still sought to tie their morality to a system instead of to true values.



BUT....enter the other theme of the Euro anti-American. America's treasure is a matter for them to decide upon and it ussualy demands that it be saved up for when Europe needs it. The fact is that America has been in Africa since 2004. The HOA is a hot spot. Bush and Blair were the loudest speakers in the West to get UN intervention into Africa's Darfur region.

So the question is...where is the EU? Where's the European nations who feel they can criticize our involvement with Iraq by using neglected Africa as a tool...yet also remain comfortably absent from Sudan and Zimbabwe themselves? Were this a European nation like say....genocidal Bosnia,...military intervention would be ordained by God and the American "Bat-Signal" would have been over European skies. If your argument that the world doesn't need America's meddling anymore is true, then where is the great European leadership leading the charge into Africa?

The real truth is that if America ain't leading it, it ain't happening. Maybe this is why Europeans resent us so much. They know that their own governments just can't get a job done without us and without us leading, their is no leader.

Maximus Zeebra said:

Aside from all this, I didnt live in the past, I live now, I care about what happens now and in the future, we cannot change the past...

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The past? Rwanda and Sudan was just in the 90's...the same approximate time Americans were summoned to deal with genocide in Europe. Today, only America is concerned over the HOA and it took some Somali piracy to get only a few Europeans to raise their brow.

Nobody, to include Europe, can change the past. But, nor can Europe change the present, which means it has very little to do with shaping the future. Without us, it's just not going to happen because our fuzzy ideas of international law are a matter of convenience. Either the sovereignty of governments get intervened upon due to their proximity (Bosnia, Haiti) or they get sovereinty enforced upon them because their slaughter and genocide matter not to Europe.

Maximus Zeebra said:

Europe created America and all your values are European old fashion values, a shame it is that you arent adopting new European values then...

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You just don't get it. Where's your black president? Where's your civil rights marches? Where's your Civil War to end slavery? You see, the old fashion values is what created Europe's America. The old prescriptions of designation within a society came from Europe. It's been 'Americans' that have been casting this off and making the declaration of standard to the world. While America's solution to ethnic and religious difference was to force toleration and saturation, which would see the civil war and later civil rights marches, Europe's solution was always to simply cleanse the society of ethnicity or to suppress religion. This is a sort of denial for modernism and progression for a preference of keeping things the way they have always been. Well, you got a whole exponentially growing Muslim immigrant problem that won't allow themselves to be supressed forever.

America always changes. Europe pretends and covers the cracks until the tribes have had enough.

Maximus Zeebra said:

Wow, brag about the one archievement of the US.. First western country with a black president.. Nice to see you are over the segregation, congrats.. Should I mention some things that Europeans was first with? Just about anything that has ever happend is the list then..

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Ha. "One" achivement. A large part of Europe is a cultural dead zone. Trapped in 19th century look and forever afraid of actual change. Visiting Europe is like visiting your grandma's house - nothing changes. Even the Louvre Pyramid was viewed as an obscene addition to a stagnated culture that only wishes to live in the past. You brag about how far ahead Europe is in regards to society and governance, yet where is your black guy? You brag about historical firsts, yet what happened in the twentieth century when America was heading into space? Innovation and exploration is laregely an American gig now.

Cavemen invented the wheel. But what have they done lately?

Maximus Zeebra said:

I think it would be best if Europe had a single armed forces which cooperated with the US forces in a new NATO framwork.

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I believe it would be less expensive and less of a burden for us if NATO dissolved. America doesn't need it to protect itself and it had never been the factor in protecting its interests. If Europe needs America, then we simply get on our planes and boats and come over. And since we conduct most of the missions and leave some just for European nations to get involved anyway, no NATO required.

Europe's best bet is to keep America in the fold with "NATO" or to create a European military worth a damn and work with America's forces. But this is unlikely, because this would be like placing your citizens under the charge of other nation's leadership. Who leads it? France? Germany? Belgium? Norway? Britian, which is viewed as an outsider? Do they take turns? Do they vote on the General? Does Biritian remain on the outside as its own entity? American forces never fall under the charge of a foriegn leader. I don't see all of Europe's tribes uniting like this. It would be just like a UN mission where all the individual nations bicker and complain about work load and burden sharing (which is humerously never close to what America's roles always are).

Maximus Zeebra said:

I dont hate any country.. I just hate what is going on largely, and I wouldnt mind if all world politicians fell over dead, no..

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Why? So other politicians can take their place?

scourge99 said:

Your problem is that you aren't being practical. Your disagreements are derived from contrasting your utopian idealized world to reality and then adding a pinch of nostalgia. You are failing to be practical while simultanously romanticizing history; you are deluding yourself.

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"Global Left." <------ Not to be confused with liberalism.

The world is as screwed up as it's always been.

GySgt said:

the American "Bat-Signal" would be have been over European skies.

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:2rofll: oh, that is priceless.

scourge99 said:

Your problem is that you aren't being practical. Your disagreements are derived from contrasting your utopian idealized world to reality and then adding a pinch of nostalgia. You are failing to be practical while simultanously romanticizing history; you are deluding yourself.

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He's a luddite who knows nothing about actual history.

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:2rofll: oh, that is priceless.

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I know. It just came out from my finger tips and it surprised me as I was typing it.

let me disagree with one little thing you said:

GySgt said:

where is your black guy?

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First, don't forget about Condoleeza Rice.

Then, look at the demographics of the USA:
Whites: 66%
Latinos: 15%
Blacks: 13%
Asians: 4%

Demographics of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most of the black people are desccendants of slaves who arrived from 1619 to 1860

Racial and ethnic demographics of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then compare it to France: only 5% of its inhabitants have North African origins (3 millions) who arrived only in the 60's and 70's, which explains that many don't feel fully French (their parents were born in Algeria, Turkey...and still speak Arabic or Turk) and are less well integrated
Demographics of France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is why it is "normal" that the president of France isn't black: there are less black people and they have come much more recently.


However, Sarkozy (who is Jewish and pro american) has chosen a senegalese woman as secretary of state, who could be compared to Condi Rice
Rama Yade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Trajan Octavian Titus said:

lol, American pharmaceuticals are top of the line and advancement in R&D by U.S. pharmaceuticals are un-parrelled, mainly because we aren't a bunch of socialists who steal patents to make generic drugs without paying for the R&D.



Bull**** the U.S. is the largest Liberalizing force in the history of the world, we're only a threat if you consider liberty to be a threat.

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WTF!?! Tot is Back?!? wasn't he Banned?

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Welcome Back Trajan!

Maximus Zeebra said:

Its pathetic to see the direction the world is taking and the worst of it has happened during Americas "watch"..

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Average people's lives are better now than at any time in human history, and that has taken place under America's "watch"

Bodhisattva said:

Average people's lives are better now than at any time in human history, and that has taken place under America's "watch"

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and certainly there are more europeans emigrating to the USA than vice versa....we must be doing some things right...

RightOfCenter said:

If you can't see how many people are saved by advances in the bio-engineering of crops and advances in modern medicine alone I doubt you'll ever understand.

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I still see people suffering from hunger on tv every day, and the food crisis??

I do see those things, but all in all, what is so great about technology that it alone makes our society SO much greater today than before?

RightOfCenter said:

Go to Africa. Just for a vacation. See how people there like it without modern technology. It's better to be a comfortable user of technology than scratching at the dirt subsistence farming hoping the random chance of weather doesn't startve your family.

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...and why do we not help these people? The spending on the Iraq war could have made agriculture and knowledge about agriculture in Africa quite advanced..

scourge99 said:

Your problem is that you aren't being practical. Your disagreements are derived from contrasting your utopian idealized world to reality and then adding a pinch of nostalgia. You are failing to be practical while simultanously romanticizing history; you are deluding yourself.

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Tell me again? Why isnt the world progressing to where it could be? Most things still suck, but our knowledge and technologies dictatre that our world could be a completely different place than it is.. But hey, am I the only one that find politicians dumb?

GySgt said:

Why? So other politicians can take their place?

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So the people will have room to manouver and take over power from the class of moron politicians we have around the world now(except those in the Eu institiutions ofcourse )