View Poll Results: Is the world fu**** up? Is there any hope left?

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  • Nope, its not

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  • Nope, Im so stupid that I cannot see how idiotic things are

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  • Nope, I like being a selfish and utterly stupid retard

    4 7.27%
  • The rest of the world is, American culture rules

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  • Yes, obviously, look at us, we are pathetic beings

    5 9.09%
  • Yes, there is absolutely no hope

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  • Yes, something needs to be done, people need to be enlightened

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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    We are talking much better care of ourself than you are.
    Are not aware of yor unemployment base which is constant with only mass immigration issues on the horizon? Have you not noticed the ethnic hatreds that still boil in Europe?

    But you fancy yourselves as taking much better care of yourselves because you focus solely on yourselves while criticizing us for pulling even your part of the global security detail. You have "big brother" to throw the punch for you. But this is coming to an end. I look forward to it. Soon we will be able to look inward as well. But who will fill the voids that will threaten you and your interests? Hmmm. Like America being forced to withdrawal, you will be forced to pick up a rifle and deploy. So much for your provided blanket of security. Time to earn it.

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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Hollywood baby. It's a game winner.
    They say that even during the Great Depression, Hollywood maintained. People wanted to escape their lives if only for a couple hours. For that matter, crime was even low during a period of great need. Americans are funny people.

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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    You should learn to rely on Europe also, in a new NATO cooperation, heck you should encourage faster integration of the European armed forces and try to help us as much as possible so we can be an even stronger ally of the US.
    "Learn" to rely upon Europe. Should we have "learned" this while flying over 65 percent of the sorties over Bosnia? Should we have learned amidst the grumblings of having to deploy Euro troops to Afghanistan because some bastards attacked us? When exactly were we supposed to "learn" to rely upon Europe?

    It's not us. You have been given every opportunity to earn trust and to prove a will to be as much involved in this "friendship" as possible. You have failed us and yourselves. Instead of calling upon Americans to "learn" to rely upon Europe, maybe you should call upon Europeans to prove they can be relied upon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post

    When your civil war breaks out, only Europe will come to help.
    We already have a National Guard and dock workers. But what civil war are you imagining up now? The one where we involved an entire world twice or the one where we freed the slaves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Hardly a free ride, get real man.
    Deployment to "peace" keeping missions where the peace is already assured. Deployed to guard establishments not under threat. When it comes to deploying your military for what a military is supposed to do, you rely upon American helicopters and bicker amongst yourselves over who can get further from the action....unless you are British. Hell, in Somalia it was the Belgians that were itching to be involved. The rest hung back and even griped when American troops were called upon to clean up their sectors. The Italians caused an internaitonal incident and was asked to leave the mission (One wonders if their involvement in Iraq was largely about making up for that).

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Are you now, or are you the world bully/criminal?
    Depends on who's talking. The world is full of thugs and their followers that see us as that bully. How did Europeans feel in 1943? How did South Koreans feel i n the '50s? How have the enormous amount of untold numbers feel when they receive a shipment of food not marked with a UN flag on it, but an American one? Or how about the natural disaster victims? Do they feel like we are the bullies when they look up and see an American helicopter lowering troops to the rescue?

    I'm sure the strongmen and thugs of Africa causing so much death and destruction would and do see us as bullies also. Kind of nuce to have the "bully" on your side, huh? Can you even imagine a world over the last fifty years where America was an actual "bully?" If the inventor of the atom bomb and the only nation to drop one (two) actually embraced this ridiculous and sad notion that we are the "bully?"

    You don't deserve our blanket anymore. You really never did. Our debt for the limited French intervention during our War of Independance was paid by the smaller details of security around the globe all the way up to the first WW. The Second World War was on us. The Cold War was on us. 9/11? Thanks for nothing.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Why the heck do you think that? Of course we care about you, we are definitely your closest ally, we just don't agree on everything.
    Our closest ally argues over whether or not Afghanistan is their problem and argues over what the bare minimum of support shall be. What sad...Europe's idea of "ally" or that America still allows Europe to get away with it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    All of those are a good idea, but lets rather reinvent NATO and let Europe carry a more heavy burden under sigular armed forces. Let those forces be focused on the long term defense of Europe and the US, lets stop offensive movement and pre-emptive bull**** and focus strictly on home defense and renewed strategy.
    Well, that's your military and it is your problem to solve. America did what it had to and what it was obligated to. Now, America can renew a strategy. One it should have done under Bush Sr. and Clinton. One that calls for dealing with issues before they become greater issues down the road and one that deals in devistating punishment for touching an American interest.

    In fact, there's a military vision plotted out that I am rather fond of. It was invented by an Army Colonel in the late 80s who forecasted quite well the aftermath situation of the Cold War. It encompassed friend and foe and our most beneficial path for both. It was a bit too radical for people during that period and received unfair, near sighted criticism, but it is more than suited for today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Yes, let them. But you did break them and make it into a more volatile regions which is now set on agressive policies, you created terrorism in a way, at least made sure it expanded. Lets prepare for terrorism and defense in the future at home not attack and make things worse by starting genocide against a whole religion..
    Genocide against a whole religion? Oh you must mean the Muslims who caused 90 percent of the death in Iraq because they were slaughtering other Muslims. Or the Muslims in Sudan who have slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Muslims. Or the Muslim Lebanese and Syrians who have slaughtered more Muslim Palestinians in one war than Israel had done over fifty years of fighting.

    You would get further with me if you refrained from exaggerating. The idea that we "broke" Iraq implies that it was fixed under Hussein. The idea that a brutal dictator continues to be the desired stability enforcer after the Cold War is a bit below what is supposed to be the West's morality. Once again...taking Hussein out wasn't the problem. The problem came when the idiots mishandled everything else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Thats the capabilities we need, domination, the knowledge that if they do something wrong, we will just bomb them a little and then leave again, do Europe and the US really need anything except an air force abroad to show muscle? We never need to deploy ground forces if we think strategically, except strategic special forces missions.
    No, you don't seem to get it. This is what "we" need. Europe can do what ever for itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Yeah, we saw that in Iraq, but also the vulnerability of the US armed forces. You did a lot of destruction in Iraq but little good.
    The mass death of Muslims and destruction of Iraqi city streets has been due to Muslims...not Americans. You have no idea what we are capable of if our intent was to simply kill and destroy. Truth is that we would have far less problems in this world if America was that actual "bully."

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Imagine how much Africans could benefit from small European colonies of elderly(smart) people and willing younger people with armed forces around them inside African countries. Stablity, education, cultural exchange and understanding, a new European foreign aid package and putting the elderly to use in a situation they would prefer(if they choose to move from their city dwellings in Europe).

    Neo-colonization is peaceful and prosperous if done right.
    Hasn't Europe done this already? Just because you slap a smile on it and throw the word "neo" in front doesn't mean it would be seen as any different.

    And you are preaching to the choir about Africa. Except Africans are better positioned to embrace us. You'll just be along for the ride. Our government has already awakened to this and it only needs to convince the average idiot in front of his DirectTV of it.

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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Huh? It's Europe that is on record for creating world wars. And it's America on record for being pulled out to fight in them and later preventing another.

    If you are implying that our absence from the world would cause a world war then so be it. We'll be fine across the ocean as long as we don't get fooled into it again.
    Look at thing NOW, not before, NOW, not before, NOW, not before.

    Its a shameful thing for us Europeans to see how little good Americans learned from the second world war and how much the bad Americans learned from it.


    LOL, this is just to silly. Europes financial crisis? Ahahaha, its an American thing, and it hasnt really even spread to Europe, the effects are minimal at the moment, compared with the gigantic collapses in the US and the broad collapse. I can see it now, the collapse is almost final, when people just deny it and rant on in desperation.

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    But we won't stay down with you. You do realize that the news also incorporates Europe? Your markets are sinking and your automobile industry is reporting huge losses for next year. Britian is looking into the abyss and some are even contemplating the Euro. And this is because you have been pathetically clingy to our dinner table. Break off..
    Whats wrong with you? Are you unable to see the reality? Yes, our stock markets are also falling.. Britain yes its bankrupt, has been for a long time, but its an isolated case, aside from Italy which have been bankrupt for decades. Automobile industry? LOL, look at yours.. Our is fine, but reporting drops in revenues and profits from next year yes, your companies are already bankrupt. Most European car makers have had enormously good run and have tons of money to take from, especially the German car makers are incredibly wealthy. The drop in car sales in because of the financial crisis in the US, which is now of course spreading around the your main trading parter.


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Actually, we don't depend on Europe at all.
    Sure..




    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    More exaggerations. And stating that we "leech" on ourselves is a bit pointless. Like I stated, there is a sound path to correct our situation. We only need to feel the pain a bit more before people recognize it.
    Leeches sucks blood.. Your military and defense spending accounts to around 800 billion or 1/3rd of government revenue and a large slice of your industries.. Reducing that spending to about 300 billion would break your economy completely.



    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    I guess you forget how much you can't get away with when I'm in the playground. Europe has always been faced with terrorism. Until 9/11, this was an accepted European problem. Terrorist plotters in Germany. Muslim graves desicrated in France three times. Jewish graves desicrated in Romania. Riots in France. Muslim ghettos in France. Constant terrorist arrests across the region. German hatred towards Muslim Turks. Your ethnic and immigrant problems are exponentially gaining speed. And all the while constant unemployment hurts even "real" Europeans.
    Terrorism will always be there just like drugs, unless everyone in the world has a damn good education and a damn good life.. Even then it will probably exist. Deal with it, we can. Dont go on killing sprees every time there is some terror attack. Think of all the children that has died unimaginable horrible deaths because of the US wars. Think of all the other human tragedies.
    War isnt cool..



    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    But, Americans don't generally care about your politics. We don't tune you in the way you tune us in.
    Shameful thing that, it would broaden your perspectives, like it does Europeans who mostly follow national politics, European politics and US politics, and some who follow global politics.

    And you claim Europeans are inwards looking..




    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    What the hell are you talking about? Nazi Germany? Germany lashed out. Americans will withdraw. Get it? You can't even bash on America without congering up fantasy.

    Our long term stability depends on our withdrawal. When enough internal pain is inflicted, we will realize this and bow out. Like Europe, we will cater to only ourselves for a few decades. But we won't waste the time hoping that "big brother" (which we don't have the luxury of having as you did and do) will bail us out and be there whenever we ask. We will be forced to lace up our boots and climb our own mountain.
    I hope you can fix your own country, it needs so.
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Are not aware of yor unemployment base which is constant with only mass immigration issues on the horizon? Have you not noticed the ethnic hatreds that still boil in Europe?
    Yeah, our unemployment is stable.

    I have unfortunately noticed that. We have some rather large groups of right sided extremists in the European parliament and most national parliaments, especially Italy.


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    But you fancy yourselves as taking much better care of yourselves because you focus solely on yourselves while criticizing us for pulling even your part of the global security detail. You have "big brother" to throw the punch for you. But this is coming to an end. I look forward to it. Soon we will be able to look inward as well. But who will fill the voids that will threaten you and your interests? Hmmm. Like America being forced to withdrawal, you will be forced to pick up a rifle and deploy. So much for your provided blanket of security. Time to earn it.
    This is just not true.. Europe has the second largest deployment of forces in the world, and spend 200 billion euro on defense.
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Its a shameful thing for us Europeans to see how little good Americans learned from the second world war and how much the bad Americans learned from it.
    What are you talkig about now? First you act as if America started a world war then you go on to state how little America learned from your European civil war.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I can see it now, the collapse is almost final, when people just deny it and rant on in desperation.
    Desperate? I'm not the one clinging to a notion that America is finished. You are gloating like a .....well....European. But like so many of your kind, you refuse to acknowledge that America always bounces back and moves forward better than ever. We don't stagnate and we don't strive for a fantasy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Whats wrong with you? Are you unable to see the reality? Yes, our stock markets are also falling.. Britain yes its bankrupt, has been for a long time, but its an isolated case, aside from Italy which have been bankrupt for decades. Automobile industry? LOL, look at yours.. Our is fine, but reporting drops in revenues and profits from next year yes, your companies are already bankrupt. Most European car makers have had enormously good run and have tons of money to take from, especially the German car makers are incredibly wealthy. The drop in car sales in because of the financial crisis in the US, which is now of course spreading around the your main trading parter.
    The "reality" is that America will climb out before Europe does because we went in first. America's troubles were obvious this year, Europe is projecting to go through much worse next year. But when we climb out, Europe will find itself floating on its own. And its about time. A re-invented car industry and banking practices will end the problem for us. Without Americans buying European goods, Europe will be faced with itself. It's the same all over. America is going through this because we let too many foriegners leach on to us. Our money goes out instead of inward.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post

    Sure..
    Um...we don't. We simply chose to conduct business with you. We are a consumer based population and foreigners took advantage to make some money. This can easily change and will when we have gone through enough pain to realize it. America thrives when challenged. Our competitive spirit will emerge once again, but nations like yours will not fare well for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Leeches sucks blood.
    Which is why you have been leeches for far too long. Once again...trying to use my point to describe us leeching on ourselves is pointless.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Terrorism will always be there just like drugs, unless everyone in the world has a damn good education and a damn good life.. Even then it will probably exist. Deal with it, we can. Dont go on killing sprees every time there is some terror attack. Think of all the children that has died unimaginable horrible deaths because of the US wars. Think of all the other human tragedies.
    War isnt cool..
    Think opf all the children that have dies because Europeans prefer the dictators over doing something. Think of all the children who have died in Africa because Europe uses America's absence to excuse themselves. Criticize our wars. We'll criticize your apathy.

    And dealing with terrorism the European way is why you have been plaqued with terrorism. No matter what happens in Iraq and Afghanistan's future, America has delivered the message to any and all enemies.



    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post

    Shameful thing that, it would broaden your perspectives, like it does Europeans who mostly follow national politics, European politics and US politics, and some who follow global politics.

    And you claim Europeans are inwards looking..
    We simply don't care about people who don't matter to us. Your politics are your business. What do we care who your president is or how you spend your money? You see, the difference is that we are not leeched to you or hanging off your coat tails so what you do doesn't matter. We only scoff at the nerve you all reserve for yourselves to criticize us for everything we do and then offer the bare minimum for global events just to continue the illusion of "friendship."

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I hope you can fix your own country, it needs so.
    You hope? Spoken like a true European with blinders. Our history has proven that "hoping" for America to lace up is petty. We will do what we have to when we feel the time comes. But I assure you that our fixing ourselves means stranding Europe. You may wish to pretend your emotions, but you really don't want America looking inward and "fixing" us. Because "fixing" us means screwing you. Something we should have done a long time ago. Fixing America means that our consumer based society becomes more and more focused on re-invented American companies and less job exportation. What will that do to the world who clings to us? What will that do to Europe, China, Asia, etc.? What will new energy sources do the Middle East? None of it will be our problem. It will be yours. Like I stated earlier..."We can go home."
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    I just think we are too similar in completely different ways.
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    This is just not true.. Europe has the second largest deployment of forces in the world, and spend 200 billion euro on defense.
    Oh God. I am so sick of this slight of hand. Your deployed forces deal largely in less than military efforts. You ensure peace where peace is a given. You secure food shipments where opposition is all but absent. Even your military deployments in Afghanstan are stumbling and bickering over who can do less than the other behind America, Britian, and oh yes...even Canada.

    You brag about how much you spend on your defense, yet America pulls the larger body of your defense as proven even for Bosnia. In Afghanistan, many American troops do without American helicopters, because American helicopters are being used to shuttle your forces around.

    This declaration that you are the second largest deployed force is saying much when we consider what this entails.

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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Oh God. I am so sick of this slight of hand. Your deployed forces deal largely in less than military efforts. You ensure peace where peace is a given. You secure food shipments where opposition is all but absent. Even your military deployments in Afghanstan are stumbling and bickering over who can do less than the other behind America, Britian, and oh yes...even Canada.

    This declaration that you are the second largest deployed force is saying much when we consider what this entails.
    Why is it more important to bring war than to uphold peace?
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Its pathetic to see the direction the world is taking and the worst of it has happened during Americas "watch"..
    Thats a new one, since when we did we have the "watch" responsibility ??
    The world chooses its own "direction"; not mine(toward learning, away from religion) and not yours..
    Change takes time, even centuries, so have patience...

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