View Poll Results: Is the world fu**** up? Is there any hope left?

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  • Nope, its not

    13 23.64%
  • Nope, Im so stupid that I cannot see how idiotic things are

    2 3.64%
  • Nope, I like being a selfish and utterly stupid retard

    4 7.27%
  • The rest of the world is, American culture rules

    4 7.27%
  • Yes, obviously, look at us, we are pathetic beings

    5 9.09%
  • Yes, there is absolutely no hope

    3 5.45%
  • Yes, something needs to be done, people need to be enlightened

    21 38.18%
  • Yea, everything is just ****ed, including me

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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    You don't seem to get it. America has been used to the fast track in regards to options and prosperity. Time to slow down. America will go through this hiccup only to emerge stronger than ever. This is history repeating itself. And as for those jobs...**** those jobs. Unions have become the enemy.

    And despite our jobs being in jeopardy, we are still way ahead of your normal numbers. Shouldn't you be more concerned about what has come to be accepted in Europe? America won't accept this recession, which means that America will bounce when it is time. We only need to stop trying to save what needs to crumble.
    "What has come to be accepted in Europe"? You are ahead on GDP, but still drive around in primitive cars and have no alternatives..

    I think Europe needs to focus on real estate and improvement of urban areas. I believe the US must completely create urban public infrastructure from scratch. In terms of GDP by the way with the value of the dollar, ours is only getting stronger, while yours is getting weaker.

    Gross capital formation in Europe isnt declining despite the financial downturn, imports are growing and exports arent yet in negatives.. All compared with same quarter last year. As for gross capita formation, the decline in the US is -4% compared with same quarter last year, GDP is about the same as Europe 0.7% compared with 0.6% growth compared with same quarter last year, but both will dip under. US exports have seen a surge, but last quarter it fell massively. Imports are also declining and in negative about 2% since same quarter last year. US jobs are lost in record speeds, but European jobs seems rather safe, our companies have tons of wealth and innovate like always. Yours are going bankrupt. Despite Spains massive job loss 7%-14% in a short time, European unemployment rates stays stubbornly at the 7, while the US unemployment have risen from 4% some 1 year ago to current 6.7%, thats 2.7% in one year, while Europe have lost about 0.7% in one year.

    Aside from that your debt and deficits rate are enourmous, while European rates are very moderate. I dont like that your economy is collapsing, but it is, the sooner you realize that, the sooner you can do something about it..

    GDP AND EXPENDITURE COMPONENTS

    Europe have growth in all compared with quarter 3 last year, except consumer spending which is now at 0% growth compared with a year ago. The US have falls in imports, consumer spending and gross fixed capital formation. Dramatic falls in some of them.
    Despite the strong Euro, exports are still growing here showing how solid the economy really is and how attractive our manufacturing is.


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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    "What has come to be accepted in Europe"? You are ahead on GDP, but still drive around in primitive cars and have no alternatives..

    I think Europe needs to focus on real estate and improvement of urban areas. I believe the US must completely create urban public infrastructure from scratch. In terms of GDP by the way with the value of the dollar, ours is only getting stronger, while yours is getting weaker.

    Gross capital formation in Europe isnt declining despite the financial downturn, imports are growing and exports arent yet in negatives.. All compared with same quarter last year. As for gross capita formation, the decline in the US is -4% compared with same quarter last year, GDP is about the same as Europe 0.7% compared with 0.6% growth compared with same quarter last year, but both will dip under. US exports have seen a surge, but last quarter it fell massively. Imports are also declining and in negative about 2% since same quarter last year. US jobs are lost in record speeds, but European jobs seems rather safe, our companies have tons of wealth and innovate like always. Yours are going bankrupt. Despite Spains massive job loss 7%-14% in a short time, European unemployment rates stays stubbornly at the 7, while the US unemployment have risen from 4% some 1 year ago to current 6.7%, thats 2.7% in one year, while Europe have lost about 0.7% in one year.

    Aside from that your debt and deficits rate are enourmous, while European rates are very moderate. I dont like that your economy is collapsing, but it is, the sooner you realize that, the sooner you can do something about it..

    GDP AND EXPENDITURE COMPONENTS

    Europe have growth in all compared with quarter 3 last year, except consumer spending which is now at 0% growth compared with a year ago. The US have falls in imports, consumer spending and gross fixed capital formation. Dramatic falls in some of them.
    Despite the strong Euro, exports are still growing here showing how solid the economy really is and how attractive our manufacturing is.


    http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/pls...08-EN-AP_0.PDF
    You are basking in nothing. You have tunnel vision. America has to go through this and many of us welcome it. And I hope it will be as painful as it needs to be. Because America needs the shock. But no matter how painful it is, it won't be nearly as painful as it is for the rest of the world. And do you know why? Because the rest of the world is patheticaly attached to our table scraps. Notice how America is not affected by what occurs with Europe's economy, but the entire world drops into the gutter when America stumbles? This is what it has to take for the rest of the world to practice a bit of independance and for us to withdraw. America will bounce as it always does. It only needs to stop exporting jobs and manage its consumer based economy towards less import. But here is the problem you and others don't seem to grasp...

    We can go home. With the prospect of new energy sources (which is a huge issue on America's plate), this means that America will care less and less about the Middle East and our military will be less and less deployed to defend your interests. We can deal with our economy and our threats with ease. Being hopelessy dependant upon the American military for a defense and leached to our economy, you can not. And with America's absence in the world this will lead to greater misery and rage, especially in a certain region. And where do they immigrate to? Don't you already have an immigration and terror problem? Wonder what that will do to your free ride as you have to start factoring in a bigger budget to protect your interests abroad.

    You see immediate problems in the American economy. But you seem to refuse to acknowledge that the American culture will not allow failure. It will, however, embrace re-invention and over haul. This is historical. I'm not worried about our immediate and temporary future. I see a solution to our next step - away from Europe and looking inward. I wouldn't mind even taking a bow and closing the gates like Willy Wonka's factory for a long spell.
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Build for the future, don't throw away money to a failed past!
    Oh, be careful what you wish for. Many Americans have come to the realization that "less world and more America" is our future. And many see Europe as our past. It's about time for America to deal with America and Europe to deal with it's own creations in the world.

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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Oh, be careful what you wish for. Many Americans have come to the realization that "less world and more America" is our future. And many see Europe as our past. It's about time for America to deal with America and Europe to deal with it's own creations in the world.
    If you're suggesting we allot more of our resources to domestic issues (such as ensuring that all Americans have access to medical care) and less to conquest and playing world police, I couldn't agree more.
    It would make me happy as well if we'd bring home the military and put them to work fixing roads and bridges and shoring up our infrastructure, instead of keeping them stationed overseas.

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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    If you're suggesting we allot more of our resources to domestic issues (such as ensuring that all Americans have access to medical care) and less to conquest and playing world police, I couldn't agree more.
    It would make me happy as well if we'd bring home the military and put them to work fixing roads and bridges and shoring up our infrastructure, instead of keeping them stationed overseas.
    Though the term "world's policeman" is an exaggeration in practicality, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Somalia, Bosnia, Afghanistan, and Iraq has taught me alot. We have learned that we can't rely on any one but ourselves. When it comes to Europe's defense we are still looked upon as if it is our duty even as late as Bosnia. When it comes to America's defense we are offerred the very bare minimum from those who have had over fifty years to pull their heads out of their asses. We are criticized for what we do and for what we don't do. All the while, those that criticize have enjoyed a free ride of security so that they can focus on medical, social, and infrastructure while we did the heavy labor of the world in the wake of a global crisis their seciond European civil war created. We have provided this free ride for far too long.

    1) Should we have to continue to be the world's "policeman" sixty years after WWII?

    2) Should we even care about a Europe that obviously doesn't care about us?

    We have a golden path if only our intellectuals and politicians would break from habit. In some ways, I believe this economy slump is perfect for us and we will be re-inventing ourselves again. We are capable of having the greatest military in history without feeding the fat Defense Industry so that we can focus more on Americans. It is a fact that our security has always been determined on the stability of foriegn regions. This is historical. But this is not a reason to continue having bases in Europe, the Middle East, or Asia. We are beyond those days and the fear of another world war was always about Europe anyway. Let's pull out of NATO and hand Europe's defense and messes off to Europeans. Let Asia deal with Asia. And relegate the Middle East to a focus of punitive strikes whenever they dare to step out of line. This sense that "we broke it, now we own it" or "globalization brings us closer" is stupid, on purpose, and naive. We can exact our revenge and our punish for screwing with our interests in quick deployment and distant strike fashion and pull out with our guns still smoking. People just don't realize how much damage and destruction our military can leave in its wake if we ever were unleashed. Iraq was mostly of their own tribal doing. Imagine if we were focused to break people. The entire region would be a smoldering ruin right now. Let the rest of the world deal with their defense in the manner in which they feel is good for them. If they need us, make them declare it on international television, sign a document, and pay us in advance.

    In the mean time, we can do what Europe has been doing and cater to ourselves and look inward. This, of course, will shove Europe on the burner because unlike us....they can't just go home. Maybe they would learn to appreciate us again. But who really cares anymore? Either way, we would be fine across the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans where our greatest enemy is Mexican border jumpers and Canadian Hockey players.

    Somewhere along the way, we have taken our American blanket and pulled in Europeans and Asians. Time to fold our blanket up. The a-holes of the world want us out and so do our "allies" in Europe. Let's do them and us a favor and strand them. Our treasure is better spent at home.
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    You are basking in nothing. You have tunnel vision. America has to go through this and many of us welcome it. And I hope it will be as painful as it needs to be. Because America needs the shock. But no matter how painful it is, it won't be nearly as painful as it is for the rest of the world. And do you know why?
    Yes, I think so, because like the NAZIs you exploit the situation and create a world war..
    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Notice how America is not affected by what occurs with Europe's economy, but the entire world drops into the gutter when America stumbles?
    Perhaps because the only economy which is collapsing is the US? The European economy is roaring on pretty much unaffected by a crisis which should logically have been spread over here. Italy, the UK, those countries have been affected, but only because they are weak and too dependent. Spain had an increase in unemployment. Thats about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    This is what it has to take for the rest of the world to practice a bit of independance and for us to withdraw. America will bounce as it always does. It only needs to stop exporting jobs and manage its consumer based economy towards less import. But here is the problem you and others don't seem to grasp...
    Lol, the main part of your economy is IMPORTS.. How are you suppose to do anything about it? The dollar fell, still your are in almost the same amount of deficit, debt increasing massivly, and now like a company, no one want to buy you or anything from you, which is why your economic collapse is so broad. Even states in the US are going bankrupt, having problems paying unemployment.

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    We can go home. With the prospect of new energy sources (which is a huge issue on America's plate), this means that America will care less and less about the Middle East and our military will be less and less deployed to defend your interests.
    Its nice to see where things are, you depend on us equally as we do you. After all the ****ty bad things the US have done, we are still trying to be your friends, trying just to change your bad habits, but like the rebel kid, its seems you wount listen and are going to end up heroin addicted.

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    We can deal with our economy and our threats with ease.
    I clearly see that now considering the whole economy and almost all parts of it is in great decline or collapsing.. What you are saying here is just silly

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    Being hopelessy dependant upon the American military for a defense and leached to our economy, you can not.
    Such a shame that the only thing that are keeping you up is the military, much like it was with Nazi-Germany. Its sad to see how dependent your economy is on the military. You actually cannot afford to decrease military spending, too much rides on it now, it has become as you say a leech.

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    And with America's absence in the world this will lead to greater misery and rage, especially in a certain region. And where do they immigrate to? Don't you already have an immigration and terror problem?
    Nope, not really immigrant problem, mostly from Africa, but we manage and take care of them. No terror problem in Europe, just some isolated events a few years ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Wonder what that will do to your free ride as you have to start factoring in a bigger budget to protect your interests abroad.
    We are already doing this, and have been for a long time, shameful to see your lack of insight into European politics.


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    You see immediate problems in the American economy. But you seem to refuse to acknowledge that the American culture will not allow failure. It will, however, embrace re-invention and over haul. This is historical. I'm not worried about our immediate and temporary future. I see a solution to our next step - away from Europe and looking inward. I wouldn't mind even taking a bow and closing the gates like Willy Wonka's factory for a long spell.
    Im worried about the long term stability in your country, which I cannot say about Europe, I am not worried at Europe in this regard at all. I just hope you will not drag the world with you like NAZI-Germany tried, but until now it seems that you will try.
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Oh, be careful what you wish for. Many Americans have come to the realization that "less world and more America" is our future. And many see Europe as our past. It's about time for America to deal with America and Europe to deal with it's own creations in the world.
    We are talking much better care of ourself than you are. Perhaps because we do not spend almost a trillion of our government 2.5-2.8ish trillions on defense and military obsessions. We spend only a necessary 200 billion €, but who knows, in a few years that might equal about 1 trillion $..
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    You are basking in nothing. You have tunnel vision. America has to go through this and many of us welcome it. And I hope it will be as painful as it needs to be. Because America needs the shock. But no matter how painful it is, it won't be nearly as painful as it is for the rest of the world. And do you know why? Because the rest of the world is patheticaly attached to our table scraps. Notice how America is not affected by what occurs with Europe's economy, but the entire world drops into the gutter when America stumbles? This is what it has to take for the rest of the world to practice a bit of independance and for us to withdraw. America will bounce as it always does. It only needs to stop exporting jobs and manage its consumer based economy towards less import. But here is the problem you and others don't seem to grasp...

    We can go home. With the prospect of new energy sources (which is a huge issue on America's plate), this means that America will care less and less about the Middle East and our military will be less and less deployed to defend your interests. We can deal with our economy and our threats with ease. Being hopelessy dependant upon the American military for a defense and leached to our economy, you can not. And with America's absence in the world this will lead to greater misery and rage, especially in a certain region. And where do they immigrate to? Don't you already have an immigration and terror problem? Wonder what that will do to your free ride as you have to start factoring in a bigger budget to protect your interests abroad.

    You see immediate problems in the American economy. But you seem to refuse to acknowledge that the American culture will not allow failure. It will, however, embrace re-invention and over haul. This is historical. I'm not worried about our immediate and temporary future. I see a solution to our next step - away from Europe and looking inward. I wouldn't mind even taking a bow and closing the gates like Willy Wonka's factory for a long spell.
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Though the term "world's policeman" is an exaggeration in practicality, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Somalia, Bosnia, Afghanistan, and Iraq has taught me alot. We have learned that we can't rely on any one but ourselves. When it comes to Europe's defense we are still looked upon as if it is our duty even as late as Bosnia. When it comes to America's defense we are offerred the very bare minimum from those who have had over fifty years to pull their heads out of their asses. We are criticized for what we do and for what we don't do. All the while, those that criticize have enjoyed a free ride of security so that they can focus on medical, social, and infrastructure while we did the heavy labor of the world in the wake of a global crisis their seciond European civil war created. We have provided this free ride for far too long.
    Yeah, which countries are the most(top 7) failed states in the world now? And how many of those same countries was top 7 before US involvement, thats what you should look at. You should learn to rely on Europe also, in a new NATO cooperation, heck you should encourage faster integration of the European armed forces and try to help us as much as possible so we can be an even stronger ally of the US. When your civil war breaks out, only Europe will come to help.

    What are you talking about? Military service is mandatory in most European countries, making the European population the most military capable region in the world. Aside from that we have 2 million men in service and military technology second only to the US. Combined military spending is 200 billion €, and most peacekeeping forces around the world are European, making European forces deployment second only to the US. Hardly a free ride, get real man.

    But we also managed to focus on "focus on medical, social, and infrastructure", making you the lards for not doing so.

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    1) Should we have to continue to be the world's "policeman" sixty years after WWII?
    Are you now, or are you the world bully/criminal?

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    2) Should we even care about a Europe that obviously doesn't care about us?
    Why the heck do you think that? Of course we care about you, we are definitely your closest ally, we just don't agree on everything.

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    We have a golden path if only our intellectuals and politicians would break from habit.
    Perhaps, but right now intellectualism and politicians in the US are declining in record level, lets hope Obama don't turn out to just be another election fraudster and tv man.

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    In some ways, I believe this economy slump is perfect for us and we will be re-inventing ourselves again.
    Perhaps you will, lets hope you will, but right now it looks dark, you need a revolution by the people and a collapse and reinvention of Washington. If you ain't happy, just use your vote to change NOTHING.

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    We are capable of having the greatest military in history without feeding the fat Defense Industry so that we can focus more on Americans. It is a fact that our security has always been determined on the stability of foriegn regions. This is historical. But this is not a reason to continue having bases in Europe, the Middle East, or Asia. We are beyond those days and the fear of another world war was always about Europe anyway. Let's pull out of NATO and hand Europe's defense and messes off to Europeans.
    All of those are a good idea, but lets rather reinvent NATO and let Europe carry a more heavy burden under sigular armed forces. Let those forces be focused on the long term defense of Europe and the US, lets stop offensive movement and pre-emptive bull**** and focus strictly on home defense and renewed strategy.


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Let Asia deal with Asia. And relegate the Middle East to a focus of punitive strikes whenever they dare to step out of line. This sense that "we broke it, now we own it" or "globalization brings us closer" is stupid, on purpose, and naive.
    Yes, let them. But you did break them and make it into a more volatile regions which is now set on agressive policies, you created terrorism in a way, at least made sure it expanded. Lets prepare for terrorism and defense in the future at home not attack and make things worse by starting genocide against a whole religion..

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    We can exact our revenge and our punish for screwing with our interests in quick deployment and distant strike fashion and pull out with our guns still smoking.
    Thats the capabilities we need, domination, the knowledge that if they do something wrong, we will just bomb them a little and then leave again, do Europe and the US really need anything except an air force abroad to show muscle? We never need to deploy ground forces if we think strategically, except strategic special forces missions.


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    People just don't realize how much damage and destruction our military can leave in its wake if we ever were unleashed.
    Yeah, we saw that in Iraq, but also the vulnerability of the US armed forces. You did a lot of destruction in Iraq but little good.


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Iraq was mostly of their own tribal doing. Imagine if we were focused to break people. The entire region would be a smoldering ruin right now. Let the rest of the world deal with their defense in the manner in which they feel is good for them. If they need us, make them declare it on international television, sign a document, and pay us in advance.
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    In the mean time, we can do what Europe has been doing and cater to ourselves and look inward. This, of course, will shove Europe on the burner because unlike us....they can't just go home. Maybe they would learn to appreciate us again. But who really cares anymore? Either way, we would be fine across the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans where our greatest enemy is Mexican border jumpers and Canadian Hockey players.

    Somewhere along the way, we have taken our American blanket and pulled in Europeans and Asians. Time to fold our blanket up. The a-holes of the world want us out and so do our "allies" in Europe. Let's do them and us a favor and strand them. Our treasure is better spent at home.
    Europe is looking more and more outwards, and we always have, but in a completely different way, far less a destructive way. We do appreciate you, but you should also appreciate us.
    Yes, your treasure IS better spent at home than useless wars around the world, none of which have made Europe safer, rather endangered the situation, making us squeal for a single strategic armed forces, which is already far on its way. My idea is to block of the eastern front and place a lot of responsibility there to be ready for Russia or any middle eastern or Asian nation. Aside from that we need to place the rest of our military strategically at home able to help with much more important things like natural disaster and relief in Europe, and relief efforts abroad.
    Europe should invest heavily in Africa as part of any social security and pension plan for the future and for that we also need to deploy forces in Africa to protect such interest, all of course with the cooperation of African nations.

    Imagine how much Africans could benefit from small European colonies of elderly(smart) people and willing younger people with armed forces around them inside African countries. Stablity, education, cultural exchange and understanding, a new European foreign aid package and putting the elderly to use in a situation they would prefer(if they choose to move from their city dwellings in Europe).

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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Yes, I think so, because like the NAZIs you exploit the situation and create a world war..

    Huh? It's Europe that is on record for creating world wars. And it's America on record for being pulled out to fight in them and later preventing another.

    If you are implying that our absence from the world would cause a world war then so be it. We'll be fine across the ocean as long as we don't get fooled into it again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Perhaps because the only economy which is collapsing is the US? The European economy is roaring on pretty much unaffected by a crisis which should logically have been spread over here. Italy, the UK, those countries have been affected, but only because they are weak and too dependent. Spain had an increase in unemployment. Thats about it.
    Collapsing? Hardly. Catching up to you? Probably......

    * Europe's financial crisis is spreading eastward

    The underlying reason for Europe’s vulnerability is rooted not in the U.S. subprime — that is only the proximate trigger — but instead in the importance of banks to the entire European economy. In the United States, the crisis might be contained within the financial and housing sectors alone, but in Europe, the close connections between banks and industry almost assure a broad and deep spread of the contagion.


    But we won't stay down with you. You do realize that the news also incorporates Europe? Your markets are sinking and your automobile industry is reporting huge losses for next year. Britian is looking into the abyss and some are even contemplating the Euro. And this is because you have been pathetically clingy to our dinner table. Break off.

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    Lol, the main part of your economy is IMPORTS..
    Something fixable. Though this will only strengthen us back to pre-World War times and send you all backwards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Its nice to see where things are, you depend on us equally as we do you. After all the ****ty bad things the US have done, we are still trying to be your friends, trying just to change your bad habits, but like the rebel kid, its seems you wount listen and are going to end up heroin addicted.
    Actually, we don't depend on Europe at all. This is why we have done so many things for sixty years without you. You don't seem to get this. We are in this for ourselves. It just so happens that our true morality is above colonialism and oppression, which benefits those who cling to our coat tails. A great degree of isolationalism is needed for us to fix us.

    "Trying to be our friends." You must have missed the last few decades of European "friendship" towards America.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I clearly see that now considering the whole economy and almost all parts of it is in great decline or collapsing.. What you are saying here is just silly
    Because the only direction is straight to hell in a hand basket? Really? WHo's being silly? It is silly to dance around before the first quarter of the game is finished. Will I be dancing in a few years? A decade when we are stronger than ever because we had to re-invent ourselves once again like we did after the Great Depression? and later, after being sucked out into your war? Your doomsayers voice is once again denied of vision.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Such a shame that the only thing that are keeping you up is the military, much like it was with Nazi-Germany. Its sad to see how dependent your economy is on the military. You actually cannot afford to decrease military spending, too much rides on it now, it has become as you say a leech.
    More exaggerations. And stating that we "leech" on ourselves is a bit pointless. Like I stated, there is a sound path to correct our situation. We only need to feel the pain a bit more before people recognize it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Nope, not really immigrant problem, mostly from Africa, but we manage and take care of them. No terror problem in Europe, just some isolated events a few years ago.

    I guess you forget how much you can't get away with when I'm in the playground. Europe has always been faced with terrorism. Until 9/11, this was an accepted European problem. Terrorist plotters in Germany. Muslim graves desicrated in France three times. Jewish graves desicrated in Romania. Riots in France. Muslim ghettos in France. Constant terrorist arrests across the region. German hatred towards Muslim Turks. Your ethnic and immigrant problems are exponentially gaining speed. And all the while constant unemployment hurts even "real" Europeans.

    You are not taking care of this. You are rolling the dice and hoping the problem will take care of itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    We are already doing this, and have been for a long time, shameful to see your lack of insight into European politics.
    Are you? Is this why American troops have to do without so that European forces can have helicopters? Once again...you forget who you're talking to. You can't get away with your denials and exaggerations.

    But, Americans don't generally care about your politics. We don't tune you in the way you tune us in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Im worried about the long term stability in your country, which I cannot say about Europe, I am not worried at Europe in this regard at all. I just hope you will not drag the world with you like NAZI-Germany tried, but until now it seems that you will try.

    What the hell are you talking about? Nazi Germany? Germany lashed out. Americans will withdraw. Get it? You can't even bash on America without congering up fantasy.

    Our long term stability depends on our withdrawal. When enough internal pain is inflicted, we will realize this and bow out. Like Europe, we will cater to only ourselves for a few decades. But we won't waste the time hoping that "big brother" (which we don't have the luxury of having as you did and do) will bail us out and be there whenever we ask. We will be forced to lace up our boots and climb our own mountain.

    MSgt
    Semper Fidelis
    USMC

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