View Poll Results: Is the world fu**** up? Is there any hope left?

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  • Nope, its not

    13 23.64%
  • Nope, Im so stupid that I cannot see how idiotic things are

    2 3.64%
  • Nope, I like being a selfish and utterly stupid retard

    4 7.27%
  • The rest of the world is, American culture rules

    4 7.27%
  • Yes, obviously, look at us, we are pathetic beings

    5 9.09%
  • Yes, there is absolutely no hope

    3 5.45%
  • Yes, something needs to be done, people need to be enlightened

    21 38.18%
  • Yea, everything is just ****ed, including me

    3 5.45%
  • Something else.. explain..

    12 21.82%
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Yet...still ahead of you.
    Yeah, for a few more months.. The US jobloss rate is now about 600.000 jobs every month.. In november you lost about 550.000.. I dont see Mercedez going bankrupt any time soon, but jobs at GM and Ford arent exactly that safe...
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Yeah, for a few more months.. The US jobloss rate is now about 600.000 jobs every month.. In november you lost about 550.000.. I dont see Mercedez going bankrupt any time soon, but jobs at GM and Ford arent exactly that safe...
    You can tell a dishonest use of statistics about job losses when the number of new jobs created or the change in unemployment is not stated.

    Example: john lost $5000 gambeling Tuesday. But I forgot to mention he also won $15000 Tuesday and has a net gain of $100000 for the last month.

    "Lies, damn lies, and statistics."
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Um..yes. Or haven't you noticed the almost complete absence of news media as compared to before? There is no story with success. Failure, drama, and violence sells the papers and keeps the people tuned in.
    Obviously because the financial crisis in the US which is dragging the rest of the world down with it is far more important than you failings in Iraq..


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Yet, the reality tells a different story. I can show you proof of positive change and first time happenings throughout the Middle East since 2004 if you wish. The Middle East appears worse only because before 9/11 nobody cared about what the Middle East was. The Middle East has always been this zoo of a mess. What's different now is that it no longer has "our" dictator instigating troubles and the status quo of oppression and radicalsim is being threatened by the new found voice of the modernists. ....Or you can keep concreted in your protests and deny clarity beyond the headlines just so that you can validate them.
    Only place not ****ed up there is the Arab Emirates, that certainly isnt because of the US.. The parts that are most ****ed up and catching on fire now is because of the actions of the US in the middleeast lately. Of course, the main flamable is the Israel/Arab conflict like ever before, which has been cared about and main line in news the last 5 decades.


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    But I suspect that until Iraq looks like down town Seattle or Paris you will refrain from calling it a success. Practicality is never the protestor's strong suit.
    Id be happy with what is was before rather than a bombed our hell hole with war freaks walking all around. Imagine the mental health aspects the next few hundred years in Iraq.

    What about the infrastructure? Still worse off than it was when you got there, regular people aint even getting water. You are turning a relatively functional country into an African style hell-hole.

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    1) Because they have been working on it for two decades.

    2) Because the Majlis fears what sits on either side of their border and used it to foster the need for a strong anti-Western leader like Ahmenadejed.
    Listened too much to Bush again now? I am sure you have proof of these claims..

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    You speak of meddling. I dream of a world where America's only lacking resource (oil) is unnecessary.
    You are stuck in the past, in traditional ways.. Why dont America spend 1 trillion in renewable energy instead of war in Iraq? You energy grid is completely ****ed up, and everything you do is add some ethanol(which takes away food supply). You see everything in the wrong way I dear claim..

    Where are you and why are you thinking like you do?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Then we could simply shut the door and "not meddle" in your affairs. Do we meddle with France? I believe we deal with that government as well. Or how about China? Did we "meddle" with Hussein's ambitions in Kuwait or did we "meddle" by keeping him empowered under Western wishes...or did we "meddle" by eventually doiong what should have in the first place and take him out? Did we "meddle" with Hitler's ambitions? And didn't we "meddle" with Somalia by trying to feed them, yet here you are preaching about "meddling" everywhere else in Africa. It's funny how people pick and choose their occassions when "meddling" is and isn't acceptable. In other words, it is acceptable to meddle when Europe needs us, but not whenever others are suffering.
    I hope you will meddle when you are needed and stop meddling where you arent needed. Iraq wes certainly not asking for you help...
    Somalia was not the worlds most failed state before the US got involved down there..
    Try meddling in the US for once, perhaps you could bring about real change. Your country is in SERIOUS decline. Your intellectuals are like our retards.

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    But meddling in the Middle East? The love affair for dictators is a French affair. And the ultimate blame as to why these tribes are smashed together within unnatural borders is a European affair. Everyone is so pissed, because they had found new life after the Cold War ended and are torn between European created nationalism where none existed before, historical tribal roots where they resent their governments, and rage over not being able to go back to the way things were over a century ago.
    Past past past... All you talk about.. Whats your problem with looking at how things are? Whats you problem with looking towards the future?


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    And Pakistan? Pakistan had been a mess long before 9/11.
    Finally we agree on something.. But now that mess has turned hostile because of your meddling and war in Iraq.. Thats about 150 million angry people..

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    The recent terrorist attacks in India is over a matter of land dispute. Which happens to be the ultimate reason the entire Middle East is up in arms.
    Pakistan and India has been in conflict for a long time, let India and Pakistan resolve their problem and let the international community with diplomacy try to make sure they do not nuke each other or go into long term wars.


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Even Saudi Arabia should be divided into about 6 seperate nations according to tribe. Iraq in three. Turkey in two. etc.
    Says who? The US should then be at least 5 countries instead of one(southeast, northeast, west, centernorth and south),. Belgium should be 3 countries, Italy 2, Spain at least 3 and so on... Why does this matter?


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    America came late to the game and merely took over the posts when Europe withdrew into its shell. And I might add that we did it with less global disharmony and with less brutality.


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Its because despite our rarely supported coups, our message was different. We weren't coming to conquer and we weren't walking the world into a world war as our predecessors had.
    That is exactly what you ARE doing, you are creating a scenario in the middle east that could easily spread, aside fro that the economic collapse in the US could lead to a new global war..


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    And I'm dissapointing you? You're not dissapointing me at all. You seem to have forgotten all about Somalia.
    Not exactly.. You made it into the worlds most failed state, two spots ahead of Iraq, another nation you changed.


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Like I stated....writing a check or tossing change in the offering plate as if tithing isn't going to fix the African problem.
    I never said that.. I think Europe and the US must work toghether for the African problem to ever get solved. Militarily, economically, politically and integrationally.


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Were it this simple. Europe had the luxury of taking its time at our expense. With American treasure, an American military sitting in Germany, and the British quick enough to recover to aid us here and there, the rest of Europe needed fifty years just to show that Bosnia was still too much? And that later, Afghanistan just wasn't their problem?

    Continental Europe took its time at our expense. It was a luxury we mistakenly allowed while entertaining European criticisms for everything we did.


    So, the Marshall plan is the sole reason the well educated people of Europe managed to lift their ruined economy and catch up to the US in just a few decades and pass it by.. Is this what you are saying?


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Hardly. Europeans have always deceived themselves. The French have been trying for decades to be America's equal by undermining foriegn policy issues repeatedly.
    Funny you mention the French again, its just about the only western economy that is not in recession right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    I don't know about "catching up," but you are certainly not rushing by.
    You do know.. Europe was in ruin 60 years ago, the US was better of than any time before 60 years ago.. Now Europe have cought up, and we are certainly rushing on by, our politics is far more modern, yours is the same old Washinton corrupted crap. We are creating energy revolution while you wage wars to steal oil(to continue the old ways).. The European economy IS rushing by the US, we already have.. Our economy is about 4 trillion dollars larger than yours. Every thing over here is liberalized while in the US things are the same old ways, things just cant change over there. Intellectuals in Europe are now by far the most progressive, while such a term doesnt exists inthe US, your intellectuals are all people like stone age thinkers like those you see in your politics. Bla bla bla, etc etc etc..



    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    If history is to be learned from, it will be America that emerges better than ever and Europe that walks itself into disaster looking for a hero.
    And what is that history? You limited view on history which spans from 1938 until 1947?



    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Ah yes. The "elite" who fancy themselves superior enough to common folk that they would prescribe what is and is not for society. Intellectualism has its purpose. But without a dose of reality it becomes dangerous in application. I believe Europe has suffered quite a bit because intellectuals fostered ideas of how society ought to look like or be.

    And many of us think the same thing about you. Intellectual habit is a matter that plaques both our civilizations. But we are breaking through ours. We change fast where it matters.
    Then it certainly doesnt matter now..

    The average idiots shouldnt control the average idiots, nor tell us how our society should progress...
    Why should not the smartest people control where we go in the future?
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    You can tell a dishonest use of statistics about job losses when the number of new jobs created or the change in unemployment is not stated.

    Example: john lost $5000 gambeling Tuesday. But I forgot to mention he also won $15000 Tuesday and has a net gain of $100000 for the last month.

    "Lies, damn lies, and statistics."
    The 550.000 I am talking about NET change.. Including jobs gained and lost.

    BBC NEWS | Business | US job losses surge in November
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    The 550.000 I am talking about NET change.. Including jobs gained and lost.

    BBC NEWS | Business | US job losses surge in November
    Please quote where it says 550000 is a NET total.
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Please quote where it says 550000 is a NET total.
    In US statistics pages...
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

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    In US statistics pages...
    Where? Do you not know how to cite sources properly?
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Where? Do you not know how to cite sources properly?
    The unemployment rate rose from 6.7% to 6.9%... 0.2% of the US population is 600.000 people.. Happy now????
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    The unemployment rate rose from 6.7% to 6.9%... 0.2% of the US population is 600.000 people.. Happy now????
    Unemployment rate is based only one the labor force population, not the entire population. Thus, the 600,000 derived from the total population based on the change in unemployment is a non-sequitur.
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Unemployment rate is based only one the labor force population, not the entire population. Thus, the 600,000 derived from the total population based on the change in unemployment is a non-sequitur.
    Are Stock-market day-traders considered labor?

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