View Poll Results: Is the world fu**** up? Is there any hope left?

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  • Nope, its not

    13 23.64%
  • Nope, Im so stupid that I cannot see how idiotic things are

    2 3.64%
  • Nope, I like being a selfish and utterly stupid retard

    4 7.27%
  • The rest of the world is, American culture rules

    4 7.27%
  • Yes, obviously, look at us, we are pathetic beings

    5 9.09%
  • Yes, there is absolutely no hope

    3 5.45%
  • Yes, something needs to be done, people need to be enlightened

    21 38.18%
  • Yea, everything is just ****ed, including me

    3 5.45%
  • Something else.. explain..

    12 21.82%
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Voted other. Happy is a choice. There could be a huge life extinguishing rock falling from space and i'll still sit down on the ground and sing "Dont Worry, Be Happy" as it plummets.
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post

    Go ahead and use more than one post if you want. As for the bolded part, that's basically what a debate forum is all about. If you don't want to put forth the effort to demonstrate why you're right why are you even here?


    No, I can't. Despite the fact that Europe has countries speaking a large array of languages this does not make their economy more diverse. They have the same indrustries that the the US does.



    They are buying stocks in corporations that manufacture things. Europe does the same thing.
    But the US is more dependant on finance and stock markets and so on, the fake part of the economy. The point of mine was the US is more vulnerable to crisis like this, and it is clearly seen in unemployment numbers, whereas the decline in Europe is not rapid, but that in the US is just about disasterous. Export accounts for a larger part of the European economy, which is a healthy thing, more manufacturing and production based than finance based.. but yes, of course, we also have a large finance sector...

    I didnt speak about languages, but differences within Europe as oppose to smaller differences within the US.. We are 27 vastly different countries, while the US is 50 rather alike states.. Development in Europe is also very different from country to country, while almost equal in the US states.

    So, I can easily say Europe is more diverse without going through and explaining both economies to you in several posts..
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by unknown
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    Yup all of the world's problems are at the fault of America.

    If America does something, and things don't go smoothly, it's America's fault.

    If genocides are ocurring and no one steps up, it's America that is to blame.

    What a joke.
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    Who is the moron are you quoting here?
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    SixStringHero buddy, on the first page ^_^

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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    SixStringHero buddy, on the first page ^_^
    Thats just the way things have become. Intellectual debate is about to die... Lets put up the gravestone and put 2007/2008 on it. (or maybe it happend before)
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Thats just the way things have become. Intellectual debate is about to die... Lets put up the gravestone and put 2007/2008 on it. (or maybe it happend before)
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    This crisis is America, remember that.. You are the ones loosing jobs in record speeds, not us.
    Yet...still ahead of you. I don't know if you've noticed, but when the average American cries "crisis," it usually means the cable is out. Like other times, this is a hiccup and a wake up call to reform. And what has America always done well in any "crisis?" Reform.

    Renewed energy sources, complete infrastructure overhaul ferom coast to coast in the works, oversight implementation.....America will be better than before on many levels when this is over. But Europe will be...Europe.

    It's what we do. We strap on our work boots and go to work. There are a looooot of Americans that are looking forward to this getting worse because they know that it is that time again. We are looking for the car industry to get left out in the cold. We are looking for banks to re-define themselves.

    Our isolationalism led to prosperity and peace for us. We embarked out into the world and involved ourselves with your problems (but this also repaid the debt owed for the meager support in our Revolutionary War.) We went back to our isolationalism to suffer through a Great Depression and had to look inward to emerge stronger. This led to prosperity and peace. But our isolationalism gave our enemies a false sense of power over us so we had to emerge to strike them down and we wound up involving oursleves ("meddling") in another European civil war. Instead of isolatating again, we recognized that our security depended on the stability and environments of foreign nations so we stayed in Europe's absence. We prospered. Post Cold War, the rest of the world was left in confusion and anger as the West celebrated the "End of History" and "victory" on the backs of the Americans.

    Now we go through a recession and you preach about a "crisis?" As if there's no corner? This is just another step in history for us. It's you all that have always been looking towards us for salvation, aid, guidance, companionship, and defense.

    And here you are giving sermons to America for not leading Europe into Africa. Maybe Europe should lead Europe somewhere other than internal civil wars and stagnation for a change. Let us lick our feeble wounds for a while. Say...fifty years? You think we'll emerge not being able to defend ourselves and relying on another to burden themselves over us?
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    So Iraq is now our fault?
    .... I stated nothing about Iraq in the part you replied to. Iraq does not equal the world. It's but a country. I'm talking about international waterways, free trades, and protecting those partners who trade with you.

    But as for Iraq....

    Iraq was as much, if not more, your responsibility as it was ours. Or are you not aware that Hussein's great threesome supporters involved France, China, and the Soviet Union...not America? And wasn't Europe involved with ensuring that Hussein went back to his throne in 1991? And wasn't Europe instrumental in keeping the UN's oil-for-food scandal alive and well despite the humanitarian crisis left for American troops to deal with year after year?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Iraq will never be stable, you broke the country yes, I know that much, and now people live in missery there.. It is said that people were far more happy under Saddam. What does that tell you?
    That Rumsfeld's war execution was pathetic? You see, for a person who claims to care about the suffering of the world, your pointless protest should not be that the tyrant had to fall, but that he fell without proper execution.

    Instead, you imply that Iraqis need a bayonet in their face in order for it to meet your definiton of "stable." .....this would be Cold War prescription by the way. Some people were far more happy under Saddam. These would be the same people who enjoyed the Sunni side of Iraq. ...this would be the minority by the way. The fact is that Iraqis are breathing easy these days and they only have to find their way. The violence is at 2003 levels anymore and Iraqis are emerging from their petty tribal squabbling better for it.

    But let's look at another situation. Somalia. We were all there (some of us personaly) and we were helping out until Somalis decided that they didn't want our help. We left. And what happened? They drove themselves straight to hell. And today, you scoff at our attempts for Iraqis (and the region), but actually think that Africans will welcome in the militaries? Or do you think the food shipments will make it to where they need to go without a hitch and the warlords will simply retire to clean living? The Mugabes will just head to Tahiti to bask in the sun?

    If you truly mean what you have recently been stating about actually helping people, then you need to acknowlegde that this means that some people need killing. And the result of this will be that tribes (or clans) will discover a freedom they never had before. The result of this will either be immediate peace or immediate and temporary slaughter.





    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    So now the media of the world reporting from Iraq is "dwindling sensationalist headlines"?
    Um..yes. Or haven't you noticed the almost complete absence of news media as compared to before? There is no story with success. Failure, drama, and violence sells the papers and keeps the people tuned in.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post

    Iraq isnt a success and the middle east looks far worse now than at any time before.....
    Yet, the reality tells a different story. I can show you proof of positive change and first time happenings throughout the Middle East since 2004 if you wish. The Middle East appears worse only because before 9/11 nobody cared about what the Middle East was. The Middle East has always been this zoo of a mess. What's different now is that it no longer has "our" dictator instigating troubles and the status quo of oppression and radicalsim is being threatened by the new found voice of the modernists. ....Or you can keep concreted in your protests and deny clarity beyond the headlines just so that you can validate them.

    But I suspect that until Iraq looks like down town Seattle or Paris you will refrain from calling it a success. Practicality is never the protestor's strong suit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    ....why do you think nations such as Iran is so eager to get nuclear weapons?
    1) Because they have been working on it for two decades.

    2) Because nuclear weapons equals power.

    2) Because the Majlis fears what sits on either side of their border and used it to foster the need for a strong anti-Western leader like Ahmenadejed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Its because you are meddling down there, and they are afraid.. Why do you think Pakistan is worse than ever? Because everyone there is so pissed of with US actions in the middle east.. You are creating a deadly crisis and spreading hatred from the middle east across the world.. Madrid, London, India and so fourth is all because of your actions in the middle east, and attacks will only be more frequent in the future because of what you have done..
    Dictators for the Middle East and salvation for Africans? Because Africans are less tribal? The Middle East is a powder keg that will either go off on its own or with an attempted guidance. Either way, it is going to blow and it is long over due.

    You speak of meddling. I dream of a world where America's only lacking resource (oil) is unnecessary. Then we could simply shut the door and "not meddle" in your affairs. Do we meddle with France? I believe we deal with that government as well. Or how about China? Did we "meddle" with Hussein's ambitions in Kuwait or did we "meddle" by keeping him empowered under Western wishes...or did we "meddle" by eventually doiong what should have in the first place and take him out? Did we "meddle" with Hitler's ambitions? And didn't we "meddle" with Somalia by trying to feed them, yet here you are preaching about "meddling" everywhere else in Africa. It's funny how people pick and choose their occassions when "meddling" is and isn't acceptable. In other words, it is acceptable to meddle when Europe needs us, but not whenever others are suffering.

    But meddling in the Middle East? The love affair for dictators is a French affair. And the ultimate blame as to why these tribes are smashed together within unnatural borders is a European affair. Everyone is so pissed, because they had found new life after the Cold War ended and are torn between European created nationalism where none existed before, historical tribal roots where they resent their governments, and rage over not being able to go back to the way things were over a century ago.

    And Pakistan? Pakistan had been a mess long before 9/11. The recent terrorist attacks in India is over a matter of land dispute. Which happens to be the ultimate reason the entire Middle East is up in arms. Even Saudi Arabia should be divided into about 6 seperate nations according to tribe. Iraq in three. Turkey in two. etc.

    America came late to the game and merely took over the posts when Europe withdrew into its shell. And I might add that we did it with less global disharmony and with less brutality. Its because despite our rarely supported coups, our message was different. We weren't coming to conquer and we weren't walking the world into a world war as our predecessors had. And after the Cold War ended, we found ourselves holding the bloody body bag. Europe washed its hands of what it largely created the moment it instigated a second world war.

    Meddling? America did have that Shah thing though didn't it? Hell, even this came from the British bending the truth and using America. Be an honest protestor. Every war should have at least one.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post

    Military conquest is not foreign aid..
    And I'm dissapointing you? You're not dissapointing me at all. You seem to have forgotten all about Somalia. Foriegn aid went as far as the warlord ambushes. Military action had to get involved. And since all of Africa suffers from the "strong man," you think foriegn aid isn't going to need a degree of muscle to get it where it needs to go? Your thoughts about how things should be doesn't match with what practicality demands. Even Iraqis suffering northerners and southerners (non Saddam Sunnis) needed American troops on the ground to ensure delivery of UN shipments in the '90s.

    Like I stated....writing a check or tossing change in the offering plate as if tithing isn't going to fix the African problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post

    Thats because we had to rebuild and you didnt.. Dont you see that?
    Were it this simple. Europe had the luxury of taking its time at our expense. With American treasure, an American military sitting in Germany, and the British quick enough to recover to aid us here and there, the rest of Europe needed fifty years just to show that Bosnia was still too much? And that later, Afghanistan just wasn't their problem?

    Continental Europe took its time at our expense. It was a luxury we mistakenly allowed while entertaining European criticisms for everything we did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    The US came out of the ww2 better than before while Europe lay in ruin, now we have cought up and are waving to a stagnant US as we rush on by..
    Hardly. Europeans have always deceived themselves. The French have been trying for decades to be America's equal by undermining foriegn policy issues repeatedly. And when has a German liberated anybody? Unemployement is always dismall. Immigration is getting worse. Your economy is worse off and will only recover long after we have. I don't know about "catching up," but you are certainly not rushing by.

    If history is to be learned from, it will be America that emerges better than ever and Europe that walks itself into disaster looking for a hero.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    In think its intellectualism which is really stagnant in the US, .... but US views on things are screwed up pretty bad.
    Ah yes. The "elite" who fancy themselves superior enough to common folk that they would prescribe what is and is not for society. Intellectualism has its purpose. But without a dose of reality it becomes dangerous in application. I believe Europe has suffered quite a bit because intellectuals fostered ideas of how society ought to look like or be.

    And many of us think the same thing about you. Intellectual habit is a matter that plaques both our civilizations. But we are breaking through ours. We change fast where it matters. We always have. And where it doesn't, we change as best and as fast as we can for a civilization that didn't simply cleanse the population when faced with the possibility of a new face. We don't mind changing. Europe always has. This newer false identity that Europe pretends to cling to reminds me of what Europe was doing before both of their World Wars. In the end, disaster will come.
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Lets not forget that the pound and the Euro are dropping like rocks. WAHOO, time to go on vacation!
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Lets not forget that the pound and the Euro are dropping like rocks. WAHOO, time to go on vacation!
    Well if they only focus on the dollar falling they can pretend that their Europepean problems have equal companionship. It's always the same. Name a consistancy or a historical re-occurence and they will name a single American smaller event to make themselves feel better.

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