View Poll Results: Is the world fu**** up? Is there any hope left?

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  • Nope, its not

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  • Nope, Im so stupid that I cannot see how idiotic things are

    2 3.64%
  • Nope, I like being a selfish and utterly stupid retard

    4 7.27%
  • The rest of the world is, American culture rules

    4 7.27%
  • Yes, obviously, look at us, we are pathetic beings

    5 9.09%
  • Yes, there is absolutely no hope

    3 5.45%
  • Yes, something needs to be done, people need to be enlightened

    21 38.18%
  • Yea, everything is just ****ed, including me

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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Europes economy is more diverse and have stronger fundamentals which is why the collapse is not that broad over here as it is in the paper based "gambling" economy of the US..
    How is Europe's economy more diverse? Explain this. Is the United States depending on a single industry I'm not aware of?
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Europes political climate and governance is modern, ever developing and very proactive.. It is more advanced in terms of government, and adding all the nations of Europe under it I also believe our society is far more diverse and advanced, yes..

    It's always been an illusion and every crisis shows more and more truth. The European tribes needed to do something to fix their economies so they united them. Now they bicker over how to fix the economy. The European tribes bicker over military deployment. The problem with combining tribes is that eventually every single one will seek autonomy, especially during that crisis. And immigration will add to the pressures of trying to spackle the tribal cracks in the EU.

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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Yes it is.. I want America to succeed, and to do that it needs to spend money at home, it needs to reform a lot of things, upgrade infrastructure, bring healthcare to everyone and get rid of poverty, not spend money abroad in useless wars that just creates trouble..
    No, it's not. Unfortunately, after an entire Cold War spanning over 4 decades, Europe still can't babysit that which keeps it secure. It can't even protect itself as was proven with Bosnia. And with America allowing Europe to remain comfortably under our defense wings, we continue to not have the luxury to be selfish. Someone's got to do it out there and those that live out there deny their responsibility. Those that live out there refuse to man the posts. Which is why I have an isolationalist streak in me.

    And by the way...are you even aware of what has ocurred in the Middle East since 2003 besides the dwindling sensalionalist headlines? The more successful Iraq gets, the brighter the Middle East's future looks. And I would say that an exponentially growing extremist problem with nukes on the horizen is just as important as a festering misery in Africa. Probably more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    IN addition to all member states donating more to Africa than the US in % of GDP, The European Union also donates foreign aid to help Africa.. I hope they will do more, it angers me that the programs are unprogressive like it has always been. Foreign aid needs to be injected with ambitions all across the world to avoid just dumping food on starving Africans and pretend that everything is fine..
    Throwing money towards corruption only strengthens the problems of Africa. I believe Bush and Blair argued this very well while offering conditions on how they should receive our wealth. But I love how you people like to use the "% in UDP" to massage the numbers and wash your hands. In addition to actual annual aid, we spend money on a military that is out there. We spend money on far more NGOs that are out there. It's like arguing that you have done your share by writing a check at the digging site and offering it to the embezzling foreman while another player actually brought the tools and manpower.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    The EU for some reason and the nations in it was about to send troops to congo, pan European army groups to bring stability, it was stopped, but the discussions are still there.. But hey, European military influence is still not that great, but improving fast, but slower than I would like..
    This is exactly what I'm, talking about. It was stopped because the tribes couldn't agree. And when it does agree, it will be with conditions and it will be a repeat of Somalia.

    Forty plus years saw Europe lick its wounds and selfishly cater to self while America did the heavy lifting work around the globe. By the time Bosnia came around, America was expected to do the heavy lifting still. And when 9/11 occurred, the European thanks was to deploy the bare minimum of troop strength (expecting America to burden the show) with a population that increasingly complained that it wasn't their problem.

    Improving fast? European military influence is dismall and lacks a good punching ability. And as we have seen, they seem to relegate their forces to less violent schemes of defense. In other words....not where they are needed and can be useful.
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Europe have the largest presence of troops in Africa.. Most are behind UN flag and in peacekeeping operations..
    Exactly what I stated earlier. European forces favor hiding behind the UN flag on peacekeeping missions rather than actually doing something of substance. If there is one thing everyone should have learned by now, its that the UN can't be trusted to ever do anything to save lives until after it is in react mode and the violence has subsided. And even then, it takes an act of God to budge it. And Europe likes to hang its hat on UN pace. It's both conveneint and misleading.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I wonder with all the new unemployment if it wouldnt be smart of Europe and America to boost their military troop numbers and get their hands dirty in Africa.
    Eventually, America is going to be heavy in the HOA. It's inevitable. In the mean time, we are going to fix Afghanistan/Pakistan enough to where we are comfortable. But what's keeping Europe? With the bare minimum in Afghanistan, surely more can be dispatched to Africa.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Dont you see it? Middle east is just getting worse when you wage wars there, its like putting water in boiling oil. Splash and explode.
    As opposed to doing nothing and seeing things get worse when allowing a roll of the dice to dictate the path? The modernists are louder than they have ever been. The Egyptian and Saudi governments are being pressured by their populations more than ever before. Women's suffrage occurred in 4 Arab nations since 2004.

    The proper way to describe the mood in the Middle East is to compare it to a bottle of soda that has been shaken and shaken for decades. Eventually, the cap is going to explode or the explosion can be balanced and directed. Taking out the thorn and encouraging a regional path away from oppression (which leads to religious fundamentalism to radicalism to extremism) is a way to direct this inevitable explosion.

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    The Chinese work together for their people, not against the other political grouping.
    Sure. It only takes a tiny tiny bit of oppression and outlawing other political groups over misplaced fear of historical religious radical groups.

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    Btw. Do you have any treasure left?
    We always have treasure. And do you know why? Because the dollar is dependable. It was dependable throughout the Cold War and after when Clinton dug us out while being responsible to all debts. And today, we are dependable and will eventually dig out while being responsible to all debts. We won't combine our economy with others and we will not seek ways to refuse our debts by invading a neighbor.

    We are wealthy because we can be trusted. It's our capitalistic way to always turn the corner and persevere.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Please, dont get stuck in the past, look at how things are now and think about how you want them to be in the future.. You can.. And again, Europe is all over Africa, but not doing enough..
    Stuck in the past? We're all about "Change We Can Believe In" now haven't you heard? But little will change. Our foriegn policies will continue to see America burdened with the world's mess while Europe remains comfortably on a bleacher or seeking ways to undermine while dispatching the bare minimum.

    I want America to take a step back and allow Europe to take the burden for a while. but until it does, America will continue to have to do it and sacrifice our own sense of utopia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Please dont underestimate European military capabilities, I know that you know better.
    I have seen European forces in action. I have seen them hang back and I have seen them bicker amongst themselves over who's job was what as American forces simply moved on by. Your capabilities demand small tasks, because you are not built for anything bigger. Nor are your forces capable of conducting combat together in a "Combined Arms" aspect. The technology your troops enjoy (French FELIN for example) over what American troops have is a luxury because your military budget doesn't include things like global nuclear submarines, air craft carriers and other big budget type necessities to maintain a global force in readiness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    All this is why I believe Europe must combine forces and them combine them with American forces, and cooperate on strategy and future missions..
    It will never happen. One of the reasons fratricide has occurred from American on European forces is that we move too fast. We can keep up with each other and we can maintain our sectors of fire, but we can't do this with European forces in the mix. We learn from every expedition and improve. Europe treats every expedition as if it was their last. This is why European forces hang back or are placed further away from what needs to get done in an assault. With Iraq, we set new records of speed for ourselves thanks to not only our satellite technology in communications and constant awareness to battlefield, but the ability to use it properly. European forces could not have kept up and would have gotten in the way. Even the British were left to guard the rear (Basra). In Afghanistan, most European forces have been relegated to the safer zones. Before this, in Somalia, European forces were left out of any aggresive natured missions. The same was true for Bosnia. Before this there was the Cold War and Europe didn't have much of a role at all other than minor ones.

    You may like to think about a possible future, but even today, European forces are divided and unable to work together because the governments can't even find common ground on what to do with them. They don't deploy consistently to train with foriegn militaries. Their generals have minor to no roles in the diplomacy fields unlike the regional commanders of the American military (CENTCOM, EUCOM, PACOM, SOCOM, etc.). They don't train enough in regards to the Combined Arms aspect. How on earth are they supposed to be combined and then combined with the American military?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post

    America is collapsing far faster..
    America always does things in dramatic and extreme fashions. This is why our entertainment fields dominate globally. Our social issues are a matter of global soap opera. We are extreme people. Our economy will biounce easy enough when we do what we have to do. Haven't you noticed? Historically, America has had a knack for re-inventing itself when the need arose. Is there reason to suggest that we have lost the drive to succeed and prosper? Isolationalism did it for us until it was time to enter the world. global influence and dominance did it for us during the Cold War. And globalization will be the next drive to propell us where we need to go.

    Another historical fact is that people on the outside, especially the "Global Left," always seek America's downfall whenever it hiccups. But when it bounces and moves on, those same voices find another thing to criticize. No one is collapsing. And we will emerge before the rest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Come on.. Are you really trying to say America is superior in terms of political progres just because you have now elected a black guy president? Wow, that really dissapoints me.. Take a broader look on things, please...
    I stated "society." As far as politicial progress, I don't see anything spectacular. The tribes bicker more often than not. Local governments bicker with the EU. The EU bickers with Europe's part of NATO. They can't come together in terms of local economic crisis, yet speak about being the global leader to correct the globe's economy.

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    Have multiculturims ever worked? Are black people integrated completely into US society or arabs in European society?
    We have black Generals and politicians. Judges, Lawyers, Doctors, Professors, civil servants, etc. One even got himself elected to the world's most powerful seat a few weeks ago via white folk votes. How much more integrated are they supposed to get before people stop exaggerating the plight of the American black man? It's become a moot point anymore. The only ones that don't seem to know this are those black Americans who are still looking for an excuse for failure or those Europeans who wish Europe's problems to be America's problems.

    Multiculturism is a matter of fact. Immigration is a fact. No one wants to immigrate to Asia or Africa. Disney Land and Hollywood is in the West. The days of ethnically exporting or cleansing as a means to keep things "pure" is in the European past. America fought a civil war over it and marched for it. The rest of you are stuck accepting it. Of course, Europe's problems with Muslim immigration hasn't even begun yet. The question is to ponder over Europe's history and speculate what will occur. Europe doesn't have a very good track record in a time of crisis.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I never actually said that 911 is a conspiracy, but it very well might have been.. And with you superior air force I find it strange that 911 could happen.
    The Air Force has nothing to do with it. These were non-military air planes. Were this a military threat where these planes came from the outside, they would not have made it. Our defense systems don't track US Airways, Canadian Airlines, Delta, United, etc. These are civilian companies with their own civilian systems. After the attack, military jets were scrambled, but even this would have meant firing upon civilian airliners if there were anymore.


    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Can you aswer me one thing? Why is port authority police in New York now acting as regular police, that I find strange..
    The "Department of Home Land Security" rearranged a lot of things. But it's not that strange. Our nuclear submarine bases have always had civilian cops at the gates and not just military personel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I believe we need to renew European military forces and NATO to prepare for a new world that isnt the same as the post ww2 world.
    I agree with you on Africa (but with greater detail) and the need to re-organize in the post "COLD WAR" era. But this will not happen. Europe won't step up. And America simply doesn't need NATO. It never did. NATO was more about painting a shield around Europe anyway. And with the Soviet Union gone, I believe Europe should be left to fend for itself against a Russia pretending back to power. It's time America dealt with all those internal things Europe focused on for decades. We are very safe across the oceans. Hell, even 9/11 was a minor inconvenience for which revenge would have been satisfied with a quick "punitive expedition."
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    /wrists.....
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightOfCenter View Post
    How is Europe's economy more diverse? Explain this. Is the United States depending on a single industry I'm not aware of?
    How the hell am I suppose to do that when a post is limited in numbers of words you can have? I cant go through the whole of both economies, nor do I want to spend the effort to do so just for demostrating to you that I am right.

    Isnt it obvious to you also that Europe is far more diverse? I am not saying the US economy is worse, but less diverse(and more vulnerable), even you can easily admit that.

    Take financial gambling or the "papergambling" and stock market part of the economy, it accounts for a far larger part of the US economy than that of Europe making the US far more vulnerable in time of crisis than Europe, which is my point.

    Europe is more manufacture and production based..
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    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    It's always been an illusion and every crisis shows more and more truth. The European tribes needed to do something to fix their economies so they united them. Now they bicker over how to fix the economy. The European tribes bicker over military deployment. The problem with combining tribes is that eventually every single one will seek autonomy, especially during that crisis. And immigration will add to the pressures of trying to spackle the tribal cracks in the EU.
    This crisis is America, remember that.. You are the ones loosing jobs in record speeds, not us.
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    No, it's not. Unfortunately, after an entire Cold War spanning over 4 decades, Europe still can't babysit that which keeps it secure. It can't even protect itself as was proven with Bosnia. And with America allowing Europe to remain comfortably under our defense wings, we continue to not have the luxury to be selfish. Someone's got to do it out there and those that live out there deny their responsibility. Those that live out there refuse to man the posts. Which is why I have an isolationalist streak in me.

    So Iraq is now our fault?

    Iraq will never be stable, you broke the country yes, I know that much, and now people live in missery there.. It is said that people were far more happy under Saddam. What does that tell you?



    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    And by the way...are you even aware of what has ocurred in the Middle East since 2003 besides the dwindling sensalionalist headlines? The more successful Iraq gets, the brighter the Middle East's future looks. And I would say that an exponentially growing extremist problem with nukes on the horizen is just as important as a festering misery in Africa. Probably more.


    So now the media of the world reporting from Iraq is "dwindling sensationalist headlines"?

    Iraq isnt a success and the middle east looks far worse now than at any time before, why do you think nations such as Iran is so eager to get nuclear weapons? Its because you are meddling down there, and they are afraid.. Why do you think Pakistan is worse than ever? Because everyone there is so pissed of with US actions in the middle east.. You are creating a deadly crisis and spreading hatred from the middle east across the world.. Madrid, London, India and so fourth is all because of your actions in the middle east, and attacks will only be more frequent in the future because of what you have done..


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Throwing money towards corruption only strengthens the problems of Africa. I believe Bush and Blair argued this very well while offering conditions on how they should receive our wealth. But I love how you people like to use the "% in UDP" to massage the numbers and wash your hands. In addition to actual annual aid, we spend money on a military that is out there. We spend money on far more NGOs that are out there. It's like arguing that you have done your share by writing a check at the digging site and offering it to the embezzling foreman while another player actually brought the tools and manpower.
    Military conquest is not foreign aid.. Gee, now I am really dissapointed with you.. Besides, Americans are the ones always posting GDP numbers to prove they are best.. I merely mentioned that Europe spends more on foreign aid.


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    This is exactly what I'm, talking about. It was stopped because the tribes couldn't agree. And when it does agree, it will be with conditions and it will be a repeat of Somalia.

    Forty plus years saw Europe lick its wounds and selfishly cater to self while America did the heavy lifting work around the globe. By the time Bosnia came around, America was expected to do the heavy lifting still. And when 9/11 occurred, the European thanks was to deploy the bare minimum of troop strength (expecting America to burden the show) with a population that increasingly complained that it wasn't their problem.

    Improving fast? European military influence is dismall and lacks a good punching ability. And as we have seen, they seem to relegate their forces to less violent schemes of defense. In other words....not where they are needed and can be useful.
    Thats because we had to rebuild and you didnt.. Dont you see that? The US came out of the ww2 better than before while Europe lay in ruin, now we have cought up and are waving to a stagnant US as we rush on by..

    In think its intellectualism which is really stagnant in the US.. I admire your ability to invent things tho, but US views on things are screwed up pretty bad.
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    How the hell am I suppose to do that when a post is limited in numbers of words you can have? I cant go through the whole of both economies, nor do I want to spend the effort to do so just for demostrating to you that I am right.

    Go ahead and use more than one post if you want. As for the bolded part, that's basically what a debate forum is all about. If you don't want to put forth the effort to demonstrate why you're right why are you even here?

    Isnt it obvious to you also that Europe is far more diverse? I am not saying the US economy is worse, but less diverse(and more vulnerable), even you can easily admit that.
    No, I can't. Despite the fact that Europe has countries speaking a large array of languages this does not make their economy more diverse. They have the same indrustries that the the US does.

    Take financial gambling or the "papergambling" and stock market part of the economy, it accounts for a far larger part of the US economy than that of Europe making the US far more vulnerable in time of crisis than Europe, which is my point.

    Europe is more manufacture and production based..
    They are buying stocks in corporations that manufacture things. Europe does the same thing.
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Yup all of the world's problems are at the fault of America.

    If America does something, and things don't go smoothly, it's America's fault.

    If genocides are ocurring and no one steps up, it's America that is to blame.

    What a joke.
    Actually, its usually the result of George Bushes inteference with every matter and your incorrect foriegn policies.
    Who blamed you for Mungabe and Zimbabwe? No one. Who blamed you for Iraq? Everyone. Dont make out America is innocent, because its just as guilty as the rest of us.
    The financial crisis is not just Americas doing, though it has prooved to be a catalyst in the credit crunch process, War in Iraq is not fought soley by American troops, but it has the largest military deployment there (there are british troops, german troops etc deployed there as you already know).
    America is blamed for most things that it involves itself in, fine thats acceptable, but:

    If genocides are ocurring and no one steps up, it's America that is to blame.
    Sorry, but no.
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