View Poll Results: Is the world fu**** up? Is there any hope left?

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  • Nope, its not

    13 23.64%
  • Nope, Im so stupid that I cannot see how idiotic things are

    2 3.64%
  • Nope, I like being a selfish and utterly stupid retard

    4 7.27%
  • The rest of the world is, American culture rules

    4 7.27%
  • Yes, obviously, look at us, we are pathetic beings

    5 9.09%
  • Yes, there is absolutely no hope

    3 5.45%
  • Yes, something needs to be done, people need to be enlightened

    21 38.18%
  • Yea, everything is just ****ed, including me

    3 5.45%
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    I guess not. What's wrong? Are you sure you are not being nostalgic again?

    How is it "rotting"? Be specific.
    Every democracy will in the end become "two sides against each other", in the US its two parties only who are working against each other.. In European multi-party democracies every democracy is approaching steady coalitions of one side against the other... That is how democracy always ends up.. Beside from this, I prefer to be ruled by the elite rather than an average bunch of elected morons..
    I do not want party politics, its wrong in essense, because they work against each other, not for their country.. I want one party politics where everyone votes independantly on every cause, and cases are individually brought up..

    I want a seperation of the media from politics to avoid this clowning election we have in the US which is now spreading around Europe in record pace.. Politics shouldnt be about telling how stupid the other party is, nor should it be about being "most electable"(having the whitest smile and the best joke, or be the best speaker).. Politics should be about the nation, to make things better, to have a plan for the future and execute this plan.. Democracy limits politics to short time political platforms and "progress" which will never work, because a country needs long term plans..

    Politics should not be about individuals, and individuals should NEVER be given too much power.. I believe politicans ought to be dedicated people with no other interests than their country, certainly never be allowed to be lobbied by companies or interests groups as individuals, but only collectedly. I want politics to become clean and more free of corruption than it is now, and to have that happen we need uncorruptable politicians, dedicated politicians who ONLY work for their country and have limited contact with the outside world. I believe everything in politics need to be documented and all things of parliament and congresses and senates and so fourth broadcasted live to the people for them to understand the political process, rather than hear distorted views from elected politicians who obviously want to be re-elected..

    The list goes on and on with things..

    i could go on an on for days, but I hope you get the basic concept..
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    let me disagree with one little thing you said:


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    That is why it is "normal" that the president of France isn't black: there are less black people and they have come much more recently.
    I had another point. It's not a matter of normal. Maximus is fond of looking for that which he can bash. One of the favorites among the Global Left is to exaggerate America as a "racist country" rather than a progressive country with racism in it. There is a huge difference. For example, a racist country would be what we see with Saudi Arabia where racism is a matter of lawful mandate and an encouragement.

    With Obama, the anti-American Global Left are left looking for another topic to "set us apart" from their perfect world. And when speaking of how Europe is more advanced in terms of society and government, as Maximus declared, "where's you black guy" seems appropriate enough.

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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    ...and why do we not help these people? The spending on the Iraq war could have made agriculture and knowledge about agriculture in Africa quite advanced..
    And here we are again. The spending on the Iraq War is frankly none of your concern since it is American money. Why don't you ask yourself where the EU is in regards to that starving in Africa? I believe the slaughter in Sudan was untouched despite Bush and Blair forcing the UN to take a glance. And how about Congo? Isn't the UN begging the EU to do something other than deliberate and ponder? Let me guess...the mighty EU is waiting on America to get in front or to offer a check book.

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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    So the people will have room to manouver and take over power from the class of moron politicians we have around the world now(except those in the Eu institiutions ofcourse )
    Oh, Maximus. Don't you know that politicians are politicians and every coup leads to merely more politicians? This is the real world where coups lead to the Khomeinis and people taking over power from the "moron" politicians lead to the Hitlers.

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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    As if we have no moral obligations in Africa? The question was, why didnt we go there instead of Iraq, then you cite "moral obligations"... Dont know if I should cry or laugh...
    Well, this is a very good point. Problem though, is that while America and a few allies focused on our obligation in Iraq, the next powerful and critical of our "allies" didn't find it in themselves to do too much for Africa at all. Perhaps you should look at your own governments and ponder why they have refused any and all obligations in Africa and the Middle East instead of looking towards America despite it's actions of obligation in both.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Briefly... bigger picture is that many more people starve and die in Africa, and that the strategically best thing would be to get Africa on our side before it is too late.. 1 trillion and the effort of the Americans and the Europeans getting involved in a cooperation in this way, also commiting military forces would go a VERY VERY logn way to do this.. The Iraq war did nothing, except regime change and causing US economic disaster..
    Once again...American troops have been in the HOA for years. Where is the EU? You talk about "instead", but the truth is that only the EU is absent. Iraq is about the Middle East. The HOA is about Africa. Where is the EU? Certainly not in Congo. Or does America have to place troops on Europe's side of Africa as well?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Yes yes, the middle east is not peaceful, but need to be approached in a very different way..
    Once the thorn in the region was removed, these different ways will begin to work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Democracy isnt all that great...
    Fond historical thoughts of Hitler? Muslims in the ME deserve their dictator, but Europeans deserve better? This is what it comes down to.

    I happebn to believe in the benevolent dictator concept. However, this isn't practical so why preach on it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    What American treasure? The one in the Chinese central banks? The US debt in Europe, the US debt around the world? The newly printed debt-dollars?
    Well, gee. You speak of "our" trillions to Iraq as if it would have lifted Africa into utopia, yet here you are pretending that we have no treasure at all? Your anti-Americanism seems to be confused. You want to see the world's economy wither to nothing? America only needs to close its door and cut off the leeches.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I believe Europe and the US should work together for solutions, and Africa should in my opinion be the main benefitiary..
    Oh is that what you believe? You have posts on record for dragging America through the mud while entertaining your fantasy that the EU is next in line, yet here you are seeking a more humble and practical reality? And, of course, you are also on record for declaring America without treasure so what could we possibly offer the great and absent EU in Africa? Hell this thread was about bashing on America. If America can take out to twisted regimes and struggle through to creating two democracies in a region long abused by European powers and dabbled about and maintained by Soviet and American powers then certainly Europe can do something of worth in even tghe smallest part of Africa on its own?

    America hasn't been the problem. Criticize Europe. We have decades of one way roads behind us.


    ...and by the way....Africa is a land of possibility. But mostly for America.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Get real man, the US is heading for irrelevancy.. Europe and the US have always been the same and we have been allies for a long time(in US history), and we should help you and you us in changing things in for example Africa. nd if we combine our military might and economy, perhaps also this decade can be a western decade. I would hardly love to see the US desperately cling to power by advancing their military and nothing else, and doing wars around the world.. Not how I would like things to become...
    If we are headed for irrelevency than the EU should be good on its own. And what's this about combining our military might? What's this come to, 80/20? With Bosnia and Afghanistan as examples, Europe isn't offering much in the way of military might.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Many European countries are in Africa... European military vessels are the first one to be involved in protecting the seas outside the coast of Somalia.. They are even discussing a small European navy fleet to go down there under European flags rather than national ones.
    Perhaps you should look into this more. The UN is begging the EU to do more than the almost nothing it is doing. European ships off the coast of Somalia have merely met up with American ships that are constantly traversing those waters. The strategic must in Africa right now is the HOA where US Marines have been deployed for years.

    ...and discussing matters in the European fashion leads to America stepping in (Bosnia anyone?).

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Euroep is the only one aside from China who is changing the current. Europe is undergoing great changes, China also.. The US is still stuck in its 1700 style political system, dumb wit politicians and arrogant and ignorant foreign policies.. How about actually doing some good things in your own country? Like getting rid of poverty and so fourth?
    How's your economy? And how is unemployment? And what about that exponentially growing immigration burden right now? We Americans like to think that we have it sooo bad, but the truth is that Europe has it far worse and its consistent. But thanks for taking it upon yourself to offer advice to those who are way ahead of your problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Ok ok, I give up.. You are right about everything because the US is going to have a black president.. Sorry..
    But...but....what happened to racist America and its inferior status to European society? Once again...where's your black guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post

    We dont need to march for something we have, nor did we need to end slavery like the US did..
    That's right. The European solution has always been to export the inferior culture or to slaughter them off until the populaiton is "pure" again. From inquisitions, to ethnic displacements, to genocide. History speaks loudly even up to the entirety of the 20th century. Perhaps America culd have spared itself the civil war and the civil rights marches by exporting our problems too. We like to think that we faced our problem the way all civilizations should. It was America that made the statement about slavery through our civil war and America that set the standard for civil rights and equality via our marches.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Bypassed the whole US air force, making them stand down while they flew two planes far of route into the city of New York and into your two tallest buidings, the ones with asbestos and fat new insurance policies..
    The whole US AirForce? All of them? The anti-American at his desperate obtuse best. It was probably the whole Coast Guard too, huh?


    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    NATO and all this will have to be another discussion.. I just believe in a single European military force which can be in alliance with the US military force..
    Like in Afghanistan? The thing about the Euro/American alliance is that America will always be left to burden the work load unless another Hitler crosses your borders. Other than that, the "alliance" is a joke. You believe in a fantasy. And "if" America is to lose its global power then it only needs to withdraw and leave Europe to its own devices. We'll be fine.
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    I had another point. It's not a matter of normal. Maximus is fond of looking for that which he can bash. One of the favorites among the Global Left is to exaggerate America as a "racist country" rather than a progressive country with racism in it. There is a huge difference. For example, a racist country would be what we see with Saudi Arabia where racism is a matter of lawful mandate and an encouragement.

    With Obama, the anti-American Global Left are left looking for another topic to "set us apart" from their perfect world. And when speaking of how Europe is more advanced in terms of society and government, as Maximus declared, "where's you black guy" seems appropriate enough.
    I never said America is a racist country, it was before yes..

    Europes political climate and governance is modern, ever developing and very proactive.. It is more advanced in terms of government, and adding all the nations of Europe under it I also believe our society is far more diverse and advanced, yes..

    America isnt more progressive politically than Europe JUST because you have elected a black guy president, like you like to put it and did in a previous post..
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    And here we are again. The spending on the Iraq War is frankly none of your concern since it is American money.
    Yes it is.. I want America to succeed, and to do that it needs to spend money at home, it needs to reform a lot of things, upgrade infrastructure, bring healthcare to everyone and get rid of poverty, not spend money abroad in useless wars that just creates trouble..

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Why don't you ask yourself where the EU is in regards to that starving in Africa? I believe the slaughter in Sudan was untouched despite Bush and Blair forcing the UN to take a glance. And how about Congo? Isn't the UN begging the EU to do something other than deliberate and ponder? Let me guess...the mighty EU is waiting on America to get in front or to offer a check book.
    IN addition to all member states donating more to Africa than the US in % of GDP, The European Union also donates foreign aid to help Africa.. I hope they will do more, it angers me that the programs are unprogressive like it has always been. Foreign aid needs to be injected with ambitions all across the world to avoid just dumping food on starving Africans and pretend that everything is fine..

    The EU for some reason and the nations in it was about to send troops to congo, pan European army groups to bring stability, it was stopped, but the discussions are still there.. But hey, European military influence is still not that great, but improving fast, but slower than I would like..
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Oh, Maximus. Don't you know that politicians are politicians and every coup leads to merely more politicians? This is the real world where coups lead to the Khomeinis and people taking over power from the "moron" politicians lead to the Hitlers.
    I would love nothing more than true political reform, to bring political systems across the world into modernity rather than the current pre-industrial political systems we have.. Americas political system is one of the very worst in the developed world.
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Well, this is a very good point. Problem though, is that while America and a few allies focused on our obligation in Iraq, the next powerful and critical of our "allies" didn't find it in themselves to do too much for Africa at all. Perhaps you should look at your own governments and ponder why they have refused any and all obligations in Africa and the Middle East instead of looking towards America despite it's actions of obligation in both.
    Dont EVER believe I am angry at just America for this....


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Once again...American troops have been in the HOA for years. Where is the EU? You talk about "instead", but the truth is that only the EU is absent. Iraq is about the Middle East. The HOA is about Africa. Where is the EU? Certainly not in Congo. Or does America have to place troops on Europe's side of Africa as well?
    Europe have the largest presence of troops in Africa.. Most are behind UN flag and in peacekeeping operations..

    I wonder with all the new unemployment if it wouldnt be smart of Europe and America to boost their military troop numbers and get their hands dirty in Africa.


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Once the thorn in the region was removed, these different ways will begin to work.
    Dont you see it? Middle east is just getting worse when you wage wars there, its like putting water in boiling oil. Splash and explode.


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Fond historical thoughts of Hitler? Muslims in the ME deserve their dictator, but Europeans deserve better? This is what it comes down to.

    I happebn to believe in the benevolent dictator concept. However, this isn't practical so why preach on it?

    I believe in modern political models that are partly democratic and partly elite controled(I will post a comprehensive thread about this when I have time).. Chinas system is pretty good right now.. One party democracy with independant politicians and votes are certainly progress from todays silly democracy.. The Chinese work together for their people, not against the other political grouping.


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Well, gee. You speak of "our" trillions to Iraq as if it would have lifted Africa into utopia, yet here you are pretending that we have no treasure at all? Your anti-Americanism seems to be confused. You want to see the world's economy wither to nothing? America only needs to close its door and cut off the leeches.
    No, I said it would have gone a long way in improving things.. Wouldnt an Africa with a more healthy economy and more stable political systems in the end benefit both Europe and the US? That is a principle of the EU I strongly believe in, and what is happening in Europe is strong proof that such a way of thinking very well.

    Btw. Do you have any treasure left?


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Oh is that what you believe? You have posts on record for dragging America through the mud while entertaining your fantasy that the EU is next in line, yet here you are seeking a more humble and practical reality? And, of course, you are also on record for declaring America without treasure so what could we possibly offer the great and absent EU in Africa? Hell this thread was about bashing on America. If America can take out to twisted regimes and struggle through to creating two democracies in a region long abused by European powers and dabbled about and maintained by Soviet and American powers then certainly Europe can do something of worth in even tghe smallest part of Africa on its own?

    America hasn't been the problem. Criticize Europe. We have decades of one way roads behind us.
    I have dragged the US through the mud yes, but only because I belive you are doing the wrong things, and certainly if it continues like things are now, America will loose all their power and Europe will be the next sole power, depending on what happens in China tho..

    Please, dont get stuck in the past, look at how things are now and think about how you want them to be in the future.. You can.. And again, Europe is all over Africa, but not doing enough..


    ...and by the way....Africa is a land of possibility. But mostly for America.


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    If we are headed for irrelevency than the EU should be good on its own. And what's this about combining our military might? What's this come to, 80/20? With Bosnia and Afghanistan as examples, Europe isn't offering much in the way of military might.
    I would say its 70/30 at the moment in terms of power.. Remember Europea military spendings are approximately 200 billion combined, we have 2 million well trained troops and quite advanced technology... The problem is too much duplication of things, thats why we need to combine our forces.. Please dont underestimate European military capabilities, I know that you know better.


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Perhaps you should look into this more. The UN is begging the EU to do more than the almost nothing it is doing. European ships off the coast of Somalia have merely met up with American ships that are constantly traversing those waters. The strategic must in Africa right now is the HOA where US Marines have been deployed for years.

    ...and discussing matters in the European fashion leads to America stepping in (Bosnia anyone?).
    All this is why I believe Europe must combine forces and them combine them with American forces, and cooperate on strategy and future missions..


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    How's your economy? And how is unemployment? And what about that exponentially growing immigration burden right now? We Americans like to think that we have it sooo bad, but the truth is that Europe has it far worse and its consistent. But thanks for taking it upon yourself to offer advice to those who are way ahead of your problems.
    America is collapsing far faster.. European unenploment have risen from 7 to 7.7 % with the financial crisis while that of the US have increased from 4 to 6.6%, a far worse tendency and broader collapse as I see it.. Europes economy is more diverse and have stronger fundamentals which is why the collapse is not that broad over here as it is in the paper based "gambling" economy of the US..


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    But...but....what happened to racist America and its inferior status to European society? Once again...where's your black guy?
    Come on.. Are you really trying to say America is superior in terms of political progres just because you have now elected a black guy president? Wow, that really dissapoints me.. Take a broader look on things, please...


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    That's right. The European solution has always been to export the inferior culture or to slaughter them off until the populaiton is "pure" again. From inquisitions, to ethnic displacements, to genocide. History speaks loudly even up to the entirety of the 20th century. Perhaps America culd have spared itself the civil war and the civil rights marches by exporting our problems too. We like to think that we faced our problem the way all civilizations should. It was America that made the statement about slavery through our civil war and America that set the standard for civil rights and equality via our marches.
    Have multiculturims ever worked? Are black people integrated completely into US society or arabs in European society? I would dare to claim that multiculturism have come further in Europe despite our problems with integreation of arabs..
    The question is, will it ever work to have a society of co-habitation of different groups of people? It has always lead to disaster in the past, not just in Europe..


    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    The whole US AirForce? All of them? The anti-American at his desperate obtuse best. It was probably the whole Coast Guard too, huh?
    I never actually said that 911 is a conspiracy, but it very well might have been.. And with you superior air force I find it strange that 911 could happen.

    Can you aswer me one thing? Why is port authority police in New York now acting as regular police, that I find strange..



    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Like in Afghanistan? The thing about the Euro/American alliance is that America will always be left to burden the work load unless another Hitler crosses your borders. Other than that, the "alliance" is a joke. You believe in a fantasy. And "if" America is to lose its global power then it only needs to withdraw and leave Europe to its own devices. We'll be fine.
    I believe we need to renew European military forces and NATO to prepare for a new world that isnt the same as the post ww2 world.
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    Re: The world is fu**ed and utterly with no hope, or is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    I would love nothing more than true political reform, to bring political systems across the world into modernity rather than the current pre-industrial political systems we have.. Americas political system is one of the very worst in the developed world.
    I can agree with this. We would be much better off under a proportional representation system.
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