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Should non-citizens be legally able to vote in Wash. DC?

Should non-citizens be legally able to vote in Wash D.C.?


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Why not pursue citizenship, then?

I am with my daughters. Cost about a $1,000 and wanted to wait until the divorce and custody issues were settled first plus my money was being used for lawyers and court before.

I guess it's because they will give you the benefits and privileges of citizenship without requiring you to meet the requirements and responsibilities thereof. Rather like a cliché about men immature boys who prefer “easy” girls, rather than finding one suitable women to settle down with and marry—“Why pay for the cow when you can get the milk for free?”

What I want to know though is what requirements and responsiblities am I not meeting already because it is nothing like your analogy... nothing at all. :lol:
 
This is the city who elected their former mayor to the city council after he was seen on tape smoking crack. They're just bat**** crazy, and I wouldn't live there again on a bet.
 
An interesting portent of our times...

http://lims.dccouncil.us/Download/33251/B21-0028-Introduction.pdf


The DC city council has issued a bill that would allow non-citizens to vote in Washington D.C., for local elections. Should this be allowed? Vote in the poll.
I don't see why not, if they are here legally and are residents. Normal US citizens who live in DC can't vote in national elections as they are the only people who are taxed without representation. They dont have any voting members in Congress. I don't see any harm with non-citizens voting in local elections.
 
Yes they can. We are Permanent Residents here for almost 10 years now. We have jobs, kids in school system, pay taxes... hell yeah I should, and get to, vote here.

U.S. citizens who live in Washington, D.C. Don't have the right to vote in national elections because they don't live in the boundaries of a state.
 
I don't see why not, if they are here legally and are residents.
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I don't see any harm with non-citizens voting in local elections.

Do we really want to give foreigners an equal voice to that of actual Americans in how our nation's capital is to be governed? This seems like a very bad idea.
 
If we give non-citizens the ability to vote, then what's the point of even pretending to have a country?
 
How long does it take to obtain citizenship anyway? I'm a natural born citizen so I never had to go through that rigmarole

I know a guy who lived here for 50 years before becoming a citizen, he fought for us in Vietnam and still wasn't a citizen.
 
U.S. citizens who live in Washington, D.C. Don't have the right to vote in national elections because they don't live in the boundaries of a state.

Unless I am mis-remembering... DC has 3 Electoral votes. I remember because one abstained in the 2000 election.
 
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How long does it take to obtain citizenship anyway? I'm a natural born citizen so I never had to go through that rigmarole

That is part of the problem, it CAN take a VERY long time to become a citizen. Longer than 5 years in some cases.
 
A citizen can and does leave the country... as I did.
A non-citizen can and does become a daily part of the country he moves to... as I did.

I can vote in American elections even though I haven't lived there in almost a decade.
That makes FAR LESS sense than what we have here...
I can vote in New Zealand elections because I live her, pay taxes here and because I AM a part of this nation.

Laws are different. While I agree that it is kind of silly that you have not lived in the states for 10 years and can still vote, the simple answer is that you are still an American citizen and you enjoy all that designation means.
 
So a convicted murderer or child rapist can vote but a contributing tax paying immigrant doctor that saves lives should not be allowed to vote? WTF?

I would hope that immigrant doctor would take a solemn oath of citizenship, after which I'd love for him to vote.

I would also hope the murders and rapists who are American citizens are few in number. BTW: If you dig through some of my past posts, I have long supported revoking the citizenship or hardened violent criminals and sending them out of the country forever. Until that time, they are still Americans.
 
I would hope that immigrant doctor would take a solemn oath of citizenship, after which I'd love for him to vote.

I would also hope the murders and rapists who are American citizens are few in number. BTW: If you dig through some of my past posts, I have long supported revoking the citizenship or hardened violent criminals and sending them out of the country forever. Until that time, they are still Americans.

so what country would take such scum? or do you have a deserted island some place that John Carpenter can later make a movie about
 
How long does it take to obtain citizenship anyway? I'm a natural born citizen so I never had to go through that rigmarole

Be a permanent resident for a minimum of five years, or three years if your citizenship application is based on marriage. There are special rules for resident aliens who serve or have served honorably at least one year in the U.S. military.

Path to U.S. Citizenship | USCIS
 
Laws are different. While I agree that it is kind of silly that you have not lived in the states for 10 years and can still vote, the simple answer is that you are still an American citizen and you enjoy all that designation means.

What is the benefit in denying long time permanent residence immigrants from voting? Is there one?
 
I would hope that immigrant doctor would take a solemn oath of citizenship, after which I'd love for him to vote.

I would also hope the murders and rapists who are American citizens are few in number. BTW: If you dig through some of my past posts, I have long supported revoking the citizenship or hardened violent criminals and sending them out of the country forever. Until that time, they are still Americans.

Fair enough...
 
Integrity. Government exists for the benefit of the citizens.

Government exists for the benefit of those taking positive part in that nations society... not just the citizens.

Can you explain how a felon in prison contributes more to society than I do as a permanent resident with a job, paying taxes, coaching youth teams, etc?
 
That is part of the problem, it CAN take a VERY long time to become a citizen. Longer than 5 years in some cases.

So, what?

There is no right for any noncitizen to be given citizenship. As a sovereign nation, we are under no obligation ever, to allow any foreigners to enter our country at all, much less to grant them citizenship.

These are not rights that belong to any foreigners, these are privileges which, as a nation, we may choose to grant or not to grant.
 
Government exists for the benefit of those taking positive part in that nations society... not just the citizens.

Can you explain how a felon in prison contributes more to society than I do as a permanent resident with a job, paying taxes, coaching youth teams, etc?

My wife and I run our household, according to our mutual will. It's our household to run.

We might invite you in as a guest, and offer you whatever hospitality we have to offer. You may even do things that are helpful to us. But at the end of the day, you are only a guest, and not a member of our household; and you have no say as to how my wife and I choose to run it.

Same thing with a country in which you are a guest, and not a citizen. As long as you are not a citizen, it's not your country, and you're not entitled to any say in how it is governed. It is a foolish nation that allows foreigners any such voice in its governance, and a nation whose sovereignty is compromised.
 
Hell NO!
This makes a mockery of the rule of law and destroys the legitimacy of elections.

Why is it a mockery of the rule of law?
 
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