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    Re: Would You Take 77 Cents For Every Dollar Social Security Owes You?

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    If they raise taxes, they would just be taking much of what you were promised back again. If there is not enough money, put the able bodied welfare recipients to work and cut down on the pork barrel spending products....and stop raiding the SS trust fund.
    i absolutely support utilizing the public sector to hire the unemployed.

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    Re: Would You Take 77 Cents For Every Dollar Social Security Owes You?

    Yes. I'll be 55 next week. Paid in quite a bit.
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    Re: Would You Take 77 Cents For Every Dollar Social Security Owes You?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i absolutely support utilizing the public sector to hire the unemployed.
    Which public sector? Federal, state or municipal? Think carefully before you answer, because the latter two don't issue their own currency and thus basically have to balance their budgets, therefore budgetary constraints exist, and so at those levels simply forcing the citizens in a given area who don't want to or have the funds to hire the unemployed will result in a battered tax base and economic suffering.
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    Re: Would You Take 77 Cents For Every Dollar Social Security Owes You?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Which public sector? Federal, state or municipal? Think carefully before you answer, because the latter two don't issue their own currency and thus basically have to balance their budgets, therefore budgetary constraints exist, and so at those levels simply forcing the citizens in a given area who don't want to or have the funds to hire the unemployed will result in a battered tax base and economic suffering.
    Lol wtf?

    On what basis are you arguing against the government employing people whose labor would otherwise be completely wasted? Your inability to imagine who would pay for it?

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    Re: Would You Take 77 Cents For Every Dollar Social Security Owes You?

    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    On what basis are you arguing against the government employing people whose labor would otherwise be completely wasted?
    On the basis that there is nothing remaining that the taxpayers (who must pay those wages and benefits) want or need them to do. Because if there was, they would already be employing them to do it.

    On the basis that those they did hire (e.g. to keep their streets and sewer lines clear, water lines connected and supplied, garbage collected, and so forth) have now unionized against them and inflated their wages and benefits to levels that no longer provide sufficient public funding for more public employees.

    On the basis that public sector pensions have resulted in monumental liabilities that have been pinned on the new generation of taxpayers, who happen to be poorer and more underemployed and over-indebted than their parents' and grandparents' generations were at the same age.

    On all sorts of bases do I argue that the government does not need to be giving people "jobs" for the sake of them being "employed." I would rather expand welfare (for working age people) than create workfare as a pretense of productivity.
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    Re: Would You Take 77 Cents For Every Dollar Social Security Owes You?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The question is based off of an Alex Pollock article at Real Clear Markets.

    Would You Take 77 Cents For Every Dollar Social Security Owes You? | RealClearMarkets




    So would you do it?
    Absolutely - now?? You bet...

    By the time I retire, or at least am at the age to retire - the dollar will be complete garbage, and living conditions in the U.S. will be severely degraded.

    If I could have a percentage of my cut now, I'd take it and get the he!! out of the country - and watch Rome burn from afar.

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    Re: Would You Take 77 Cents For Every Dollar Social Security Owes You?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Which public sector? Federal, state or municipal?
    the public sector that isn't the private, for profit sector.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Think carefully before you answer, because the latter two don't issue their own currency and thus basically have to balance their budgets, therefore budgetary constraints exist, and so at those levels simply forcing the citizens in a given area who don't want to or have the funds to hire the unemployed will result in a battered tax base and economic suffering.
    in a first world society, it's either pay people to work or pay them not to. i prefer the former.

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    Re: Would You Take 77 Cents For Every Dollar Social Security Owes You?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    On the basis that there is nothing remaining that the taxpayers (who must pay those wages and benefits) want or need them to do. Because if there was, they would already be employing them to do it.

    On the basis that those they did hire (e.g. to keep their streets and sewer lines clear, water lines connected and supplied, garbage collected, and so forth) have now unionized against them and inflated their wages and benefits to levels that no longer provide sufficient public funding for more public employees.

    On the basis that public sector pensions have resulted in monumental liabilities that have been pinned on the new generation of taxpayers, who happen to be poorer and more underemployed and over-indebted than their parents' and grandparents' generations were at the same age.

    On all sorts of bases do I argue that the government does not need to be giving people "jobs" for the sake of them being "employed." I would rather expand welfare (for working age people) than create workfare as a pretense of productivity.
    You'd rather give them money and have no goods to show for it...?

    You can't find a single infrastructure or service that's understaffed...? Do you have any idea how severely our bridges have deteriorated because they aren't properly maintained...?

    These things don't exist because, we aren't already paying for them already...?

    Sorry, no, that whole argument has a foundation of soggy bread. Unemployment is pure economic inefficiency. Wasted productivity. It could be used to produce goods and services that increase our GDP and make our dollar stronger. And giving the unemployed money increases aggregate demand wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy more than cutting taxes for the rich (in effect, giving money to the rich).

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    Re: Would You Take 77 Cents For Every Dollar Social Security Owes You?

    I said no, only because I want it all. But I know I'll be means tested and we have "too much money" so I won't see a penny of it anyway, and I'm ****ing 53.
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    Re: Would You Take 77 Cents For Every Dollar Social Security Owes You?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    if there isn't enough money, raise taxes, and end the wars.
    Amen. Especially the end the wars.
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