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    Re: Is it appropriate for a 12-year-old to use Twitter?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I'm asking the question because of this story I found at Newsbusters. As liberal parents we would not have allowed our kids to use if it was available then.

    12-Year-Old Black Conservative Receives Twitter Death Threats for Being
    Ah, so a 12 year old gets a death threat and the thing that's truly outrageous to you is the parents letting him use Twitter?

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    Re: Is it appropriate for a 12-year-old to use Twitter?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. When does the words of the parents outrank what the 12 year old wants? How about sex? Drugs? ...
    Unless you're tethered to your kids, parents don't outrank what a 12 year old wants. Finances do, access does, but parents ... not so much.
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    Re: Is it appropriate for a 12-year-old to use Twitter?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I'm asking the question because of this story I found at Newsbusters. As liberal parents we would not have allowed our kids to use if it was available then.

    12-Year-Old Black Conservative Receives Twitter Death Threats for Being
    A far, far bigger question is what kind of sick **** sends anyone, let alone a twelve-year-old, death threats.

    BTW I believe that online death/rape/other violence/etc. threats are not taken seriously enough by most law enforcement authorities. Malicious trolls know this and thus know that in most cases, they will be free to threaten with impunity.

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    Re: Is it appropriate for a 12-year-old to use Twitter?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Ah, the old "well they're gonna do it anyways" approach. Gee, I have no idea why kids are so out of control these days.
    On the contrary, it's mostly the children of highly authoritarian anti-reality parents who wind up with these problems. The ones who think abstinence-only should still be pushed despite its complete failure, the ones who think threatening people with years or decades in prison is a sane solution to college kids smoking pot, the ones who think of other people a bit like dogs; they're to be trained, not talked to.

    The ones who grew up like that are the ones having children as children, doing drugs, etc, for reasons explained below.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. When does the words of the parents outrank what the 12 year old wants? How about sex? Drugs? ...
    The most successful method of keeping children from doing drugs or having sex too young is education and making sure they actually understand the risks, not authoritarianism.

    This is the basic principle that underlies fact-based sex ed, which is extremely successful in both delaying sexual debut until the late teens and beyond, and bringing down teen pregnancy and STD rates dramatically.

    Teenagers are naturally paranoid. Contrary to popular belief, psychological research shows that they tend to over-estimate the risks of what they're doing. But they can only do that if they actually understand the risks. Understanding is why fact-based sex ed works, and authoritarian abstinence-only does not.

    12-year-olds don't think like 4-year-olds. They have at least basic cognitive faculties which they will use to question whether your authority is legitimate, and they respond better to conversation than they do to dog training techniques.

    Even the most authoritarian parents cannot completely control their children once they start getting towards their teens just by commanding them. Believe me, I know; I was partying with those people's kids. They jumped out of second-floor windows, risked having their entire room emptied to a barren shell, and I suspect possibly an ass beating, to come party with us.

    Your children will be exposed to the real world, and if you want to stop them from taking on too much too soon, have a little consideration for their developing minds. They're not dogs. And more importantly, as Summerwind said, establishing yourself as a safe and reasonable person to talk to about the issues they face can save them from a lot of harm.
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    Re: Is it appropriate for a 12-year-old to use Twitter?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    On the contrary, it's mostly the children of highly authoritarian anti-reality parents who wind up with these problems. The ones who think abstinence-only should still be pushed despite its complete failure, the ones who think threatening people with years or decades in prison is a sane solution to college kids smoking pot, the ones who think of other people a bit like dogs; they're to be trained, not talked to.

    The ones who grew up like that are the ones having children as children, doing drugs, etc, for reasons explained below.
    Do you have any actual evidence to support this? Because, I'm pretty sure troubled kids come from all walks of life.

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    Re: Is it appropriate for a 12-year-old to use Twitter?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I'm asking the question because of this story I found at Newsbusters. As liberal parents we would not have allowed our kids to use if it was available then.

    12-Year-Old Black Conservative Receives Twitter Death Threats for Being
    I'm glad I'm not a parent having to make these social media decisions. But my instinctual response is no, not appropriate. But as a disclaimer, I said no to TVs in bedrooms, pagers, and video games. I said yes to the first cell phone, however, because of post-Columbine school safety concerns.

    There is such a rush to grow up, so much pressure, and I think it's okay to be "off-trend." What I'm seeing in young people is that as "connected" as they are, they aren't really connected at all--not in real life, only in real-time.

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    Re: Is it appropriate for a 12-year-old to use Twitter?

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Do you have any actual evidence to support this? Because, I'm pretty sure troubled kids come from all walks of life.
    Sure do. Random chance is a bitch.

    But if we take overall society as an example, it's pretty clear. Obviously, not all American children will grow up with authoritarian abstinence-only teaching, but it's really only Americans who are ever taught that in the developed world, so we can expect to see the results in the overall numbers. Americans do all live under some of the most authoritarian drug laws in the world, so we can simply take society as a whole.

    The sex ed example is easy. Just compare the US to literally anyplace else in the developed world. We have the dubious honor of having the worst teen pregnancy rate of any industrialized nation, and the worst states are the ones that teach abstinence-only the most. They are also some of the poorest, worst-educated states. Abstinence-only has been studied over and over and found to be completely ineffective. If anything, it dramatically increases teen pregnancy.

    Americans also smoke dramatically more weed than the Dutch, who live under decriminalization. We smoke more than virtually everyone except Kiwis, actually.
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    Re: Is it appropriate for a 12-year-old to use Twitter?

    I don't see why not.
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    Re: Is it appropriate for a 12-year-old to use Twitter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    A far, far bigger question is what kind of sick **** sends anyone, let alone a twelve-year-old, death threats.

    BTW I believe that online death/rape/other violence/etc. threats are not taken seriously enough by most law enforcement authorities. Malicious trolls know this and thus know that in most cases, they will be free to threaten with impunity.
    This is exactly why parents should not allow their kids to use it. They should be told that if they did use social media they might get threats of all sorts.


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    Re: Is it appropriate for a 12-year-old to use Twitter?

    The poor child will say something racist and ruin their career.:p

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