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Sexist Double Standard

Is the double standard acceptable?


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All you have to do is watch the Super Bowl to see how often women are degraded or insulted in commercials.

"Degrading" is subjective and not part of this debate...
 
"Degrading" is subjective and not part of this debate...
Of course you don't want the degradation of women to be part of a debate where you want provide a double standard that hurts men. We can't have anything that might hurt your argument.
 
Man, if that were true, I would have had a LOT more sex!! ;)

That being said, yes, sexual harassment of men is a thing. Believe it or not, feminists have actually been some of the most vocal advocates of this particular issue. But let's be clear--women are at a far, far greater risk of being targeted for sexual harassment and violence..

I disagree.

More than 40% of domestic violence victims are male, report reveals

More than 40% of domestic violence victims are male, report reveals | Society | The Guardian
 
It's funny in the reverse as well, and I've seen both in movies and TV.
 
Of course you don't want the degradation of women to be part of a debate where you want provide a double standard that hurts men. We can't have anything that might hurt your argument.

Incorrect. Sorry, I won't go down your tangent. Bringing in subjective terms like "degrading" is subjective and leads to all sorts of idiotic debate that is baseless. It is degrading that men are almost universally treated like clowns in commercials about household things and the mom is the stable common sense one too... this debate is about sexual harassment, not some beautiful woman standing in a bikini while guys chug beer.
 
I disagree.

More than 40% of domestic violence victims are male, report reveals

More than 40% of domestic violence victims are male, report reveals | Society | The Guardian

Domestic violence has a correlation with, but is not the same thing as, sexual harassment. I was under the impression that this thread was about sexual harassment.

I don't believe that this needs to be an either-or-issue. Domestic violence, both by men and by women, is a serious and underrated problem in our society. And on that issue too, you would probably be surprised at what most feminists have to say about it.
 
Domestic violence has a correlation with, but is not the same thing as, sexual harassment. I was under the impression that this thread was about sexual harassment.

I don't believe that this needs to be an either-or-issue. Domestic violence, both by men and by women, is a serious and underrated problem in our society. And on that issue too, you would probably be surprised at what most feminists have to say about it.

I was just debating your "far far more" comment...

two out of five sexual harassment victims in the UK were male

Men too are victims of sexual harassment - The Times of India
 
It's funny in the reverse as well, and I've seen both in movies and TV.

For humour? Men creeping on a woman, shoving her head into his ass? That kind of stuff?

I've never seen that as far as I can recall. Men being predators and such... a ton.
 
Sounds more like satire than a double standard

Exactly what I was thinking, although I'd have to actually watch a clip of the commercial to form an opinion. It's just so... overblown and Saturday Night Live, lol!
 
Regardless of which genders are involved, sexual harassment is clearly wrong, and some double standards based on gender stereotypes get in the way of that premise. The commercial however, sounds more like light humor than anything else.
 
So - four pages of discussion in, has anyone found the commercial on YouTube so we can see for ourselves?

Kinda' hard to evaluate video based upon a narrative ...
 
It is like domestic violence. Women commit something lie 40% of the domestic abuse but all we hear about is how abusive men are. I am pointing out a societal problem.

Again, those innate differences. I feel that there aren't many women, that if I had to defend myself against, I wouldn't be able to. Now the reverse is probably not true.
 
First of all it's difficult for me to imagine a man that is opposed to the sexual advances of a woman but if he is it's really more a power issue to me. I don't consider the advances of a man to be harassment (or threatening) unless he can physically overpower me (and I think he might try for some reason) or is in a position of authority (say a boss) and because of that I am unable (without high cost to myself) make him stop. So uninvited advances IMO do not constitute harassment.

So if a guy stuck his junk in your face you wouldnt feel harassed?
 
1. Home delivery movies type of thing.
2. Nope. Irrelevant.
3. What could be dubious about what I described?

Why did the woman, Denise make her hair look like Dennis, the male trainer and then act like a man coming onto a woman? Is there something you're not telling us?
 
So - four pages of discussion in, has anyone found the commercial on YouTube so we can see for ourselves?

Kinda' hard to evaluate video based upon a narrative ...

I looked but couldn't find anything. But in my search I did see that New Zealand is having a sexual harassment scandal involving their prime minister and a few other high up officials. So the issue is probably a hot topic there right now.

I can't help but wonder what kind of message Bodi is giving his daughters by blaming women for sexual harassment: "Look girls, women do it, too so never mind when men sexually harass you making your job uncomfortable.....just enjoy it or it will look like you have double standards."
 
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So if a guy stuck his junk in your face you wouldn't feel harassed?

It's harassment either way, technically.

However, it's dishonest to ignore the historical and consistent precedence in different reactions to said situation between genders.

Women by and large do not enjoy men touching and groping them.

Men typically do not mind women touching them or groping them - unless the women is unattractive.

That's a reality in gender differences and it immortalized in cultures across the globe so that women will typically not think twice about putting her breast in man's face or her ass or cooch for ****s and giggles and rarely receive backlash because, by and large, that man will enjoy the experience.

I would go as far as saying that if there was ever any real push to stop women, especially beautiful women, from groping men most heterosexual men would fight against it.
 
I have some friends that have a very precocious daughter and when she was about nine years old they brought her to Christmas party. About mid way through the party she started going around grabbing all the adult males by the balls...rendering them utterly speechless and unsure how to react. Needless to say, everyone was shocked, including her parents. I think that's about the only time I ever really saw sexual harassment by a female ...or at least that I remember.
 
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It's harassment either way, technically.

However, it's dishonest to ignore the historical and consistent precedence in different reactions to said situation between genders.

Women by and large do not enjoy men touching and groping them.

Men typically do not mind women touching them or groping them - unless the women is unattractive.

That's a reality in gender differences and it immortalized in cultures across the globe so that women will typically not think twice about putting her breast in man's face or her ass or cooch for ****s and giggles and rarely receive backlash because, by and large, that man will enjoy the experience.

I would go as far as saying that if there was ever any real push to stop women, especially beautiful women, from groping men most heterosexual men would fight against it.

What an incredibly sexist rant.
 
Exactly what I was thinking, although I'd have to actually watch a clip of the commercial to form an opinion. It's just so... overblown and Saturday Night Live, lol!

I believe it. We've seen worse examples, honestly. That incident on The View where women were laughing at a guy who got seriously mangled by his wife comes to mind.
 
It's harassment either way, technically.

However, it's dishonest to ignore the historical and consistent precedence in different reactions to said situation between genders.

Women by and large do not enjoy men touching and groping them.

Men typically do not mind women touching them or groping them - unless the women is unattractive.

That's a reality in gender differences and it immortalized in cultures across the globe so that women will typically not think twice about putting her breast in man's face or her ass or cooch for ****s and giggles and rarely receive backlash because, by and large, that man will enjoy the experience.

I would go as far as saying that if there was ever any real push to stop women, especially beautiful women, from groping men most heterosexual men would fight against it.

That is simply not true. I know many men who have felt sexually used, or had unwanted advances -- and no, not just from "unattractive" women. They often have an even harder time saying no than women do -- despite the general lack of physical risk, they do experience a very real social one.
 
How is it less of a harassment? If you're harassed by another woman of a similar position, is it just not harassment because maybe you could take her in a bar fight? That doesn't make sense. Harassment has to do with the anti-social nature of the behavior, not with whether you could beat them in a duel.

It happens a lot more than I think people realize. I actually struggle to think of any men I know well who don't have an experience that upset them.

The outcome of those situations is variable. As I said in my previous post, men are reduced to their conquests and at risk of social stigma if they refuse. But I have seen men express -- both in my personal life and online -- feeling as though they're being used sexually quite often.

And given that the early reports on the Millennials shows that men are more likely to want a relationship than women, and that women are driving the hook-up market, we shouldn't actually be surprised by that.

It's hard for you to imagine because we're taught to believe that men simply don't have any feelings when it comes to touch and sex. And that is so very deeply untrue.


The sexes tend to reduce each other to the least evolved and then reinforce it internally. If women are made to feel shame based upon body-image, men are made to feel shame based upon behavior. Anything less than Barbie for one and G.I. Joe for the other, and the the principle criticism usually doesn't come from the opposite gender, but one's own.
 
Exactly what I was thinking, although I'd have to actually watch a clip of the commercial to form an opinion. It's just so... overblown and Saturday Night Live, lol!

Remember the Diet Coke (or Coke?) commercials that had the women working in an office ogling the guy?
 
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