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The Religious/Atheist/Agnostic/Deist/ Theism/Science? and Poll

The Religious/Atheist/Agnostic/Deist/ Theism/Science?


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chill out, I stated the definition before, and there are multiple definitions

But not all of them make any sense in the context of the discussion. The only one that does, the one I presented, supports what I said.
 
I'm a (hard) polytheist. I absolutely believe that science and faith can coincide, and that the pursuit of science is part of the gods' plans for us.
 
Not religious faith, no. The definition of faith is "strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof." I have none of that in anything. One of the important things of having a rational discussion is maintaining accurate definitions. You ought to try that.

What you state as THE definition of faith is actually only one definition of faith. The Oxford dictionary also defines faith as: "complete trust or confidence in someone or something". Perhaps you should do a little more work toward maintaining accurate definitions yourself.
 
No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No you can't. Is capitalism a religion? Is feminism a religion? Ideologies and economic policies ARE NOT RELIGIONS.

The Oxford dictionary disagrees with you. One of its definitions of "religion" is:"a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance". By definition, a religion does not require belief in a supreme being.
 
The Oxford dictionary disagrees with you. One of its definitions of "religion" is:"a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance". By definition, a religion does not require belief in a supreme being.

Well that's a pretty sneaky way of using words. Hey, let's pick some hyperbolic usage of the word and mix it up with a different definition.
 
Well that's a pretty sneaky way of using words. Hey, let's pick some hyperbolic usage of the word and mix it up with a different definition.

Please explain to me how using a word as it is defined in a standard dictionary is sneaky.
 
Please explain to me how using a word as it is defined in a standard dictionary is sneaky.

My answer was far more nuanced than that. However, I'll abide. I used ONE definition of the word. The one that fits: Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Mormonism. You know, the one that includes a supreme being or beings, worshiping, faith, dogma etc. You used a hyperbolic usage of the same word which fits body building, competitive eating, and swimming. Then, you pretended as if it was all one single definition referring to the same damn thing. That's pretty sneaky. I mean, I almost didn't catch it but jeez, I had to actually look it up to see what you were doing. Are you going to stand there with a serious ****ing face and tell me that body building is a religion in THE SAME sense as Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc? Get serious.
 
My answer was far more nuanced than that. However, I'll abide. I used ONE definition of the word. The one that fits: Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Mormonism. You know, the one that includes a supreme being or beings, worshiping, faith, dogma etc. You used a hyperbolic usage of the same word which fits body building, competitive eating, and swimming. Then, you pretended as if it was all one single definition referring to the same damn thing. That's pretty sneaky. I mean, I almost didn't catch it but jeez, I had to actually look it up to see what you were doing. Are you going to stand there with a serious ****ing face and tell me that body building is a religion in THE SAME sense as Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc? Get serious.

"To argue with someone who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." -mThomas Paine
 
"To argue with someone who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." -mThomas Paine

Yeah, I didn't think you'd own up to it either. It was pretty sneaky though. I'll give you that.
 
Yeah, I didn't think you'd own up to it either. It was pretty sneaky though. I'll give you that.

I'm not owning up to anything. You're the one who has accused me of saying things that I never said. Perhaps if you took the time to read what was actually written, rather than seeing what your jaundiced eye perceives, you would be able to understand what I wrote, rather than what you believe I wrote.
 
"When science learns all there is to know, they will find that religion was there first."--Peter O'Toole, the Creator
 
"When science learns all there is to know, they will find that religion was there first."--Peter O'Toole, the Creator

We already know that religion was there first because religion is the culmination of fear, angst, hope, and societal control for those that didn't know what science now knows and continues to learn.
 
We already know that religion was there first because religion is the culmination of fear, angst, hope, and societal control for those that didn't know what science now knows and continues to learn.

We also know that Athiest are a bunch of selfish haters that have no belief in anything beyond themselves.

There is absolutely now way you can prove that totally biased, bigoted, ignorant dumbass statement you made.

While your running around calling us dumb and idiots, here are some more "dumb idiots" for you.

25 Famous Scientists Who Believed in God

I'm glad to be in their company, not yours.
 
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We also know that Athiest are a bunch of selfish haters that have no belief in anything beyond themselves.

There is absolutely now way you can prove that totally biased, bigoted, ignorant dumbass statement you made.

While your running around calling us dumb and idiots, here are some more "dumb idiots" for you.

25 Famous Scientists Who Believed in God

I'm glad to be in their company, not yours.

I believe your quote and the one I responded to was about religion not faith. Nonetheless I hope you feel better throwing around hatefulness, it's so Old Testament and not Christian at all.
 
I'm not owning up to anything. You're the one who has accused me of saying things that I never said.

Here you are:

Athrawan said:
One of its definitions of "religion" is:"a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance". By definition, a religion does not require belief in a supreme being.

Hatuey said:
Hey, let's pick some hyperbolic usage of the word and mix it up with a different definition.

And here is what you sourced:

religion - definition of religion in English from the Oxford dictionary

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THE VERY SOURCE you cited labels them as 3 different definitions with 3 completely different usages. The last one being entirely hyperbolic. Now, in case you haven't noticed, this discussion doesn't involve the mere mention of some activity one may be "devoted" to like say swimming (in the case of some athletes) or consumerism (in the case of an American wife). It involves trying to compare dedication to a particular thing to literal religions like the ones I mentioned before. If you want to mix all of those uses for one word together, that's fine. However, it's a pretty see through move. I mean what's next? Chess is a religion as long as you're dedicated enough? Hygiene is a religion? As I said, get serious.
 
I believe your quote and the one I responded to was about religion not faith. Nonetheless I hope you feel better throwing around hatefulness, it's so Old Testament and not Christian at all.

And you believe that faith and religion are different? So I tossed back hatefulness to someone who was demonstrating hatefulness. Is being hateful to the hateful really wrong?

Since your so proud of your statement, how about you try to prove it. Or, is it possible, you are tossing out your hatred without any kind of support or proof of what you say. Many others have blind hatred towards things also, congratulations, so far you have proven to be no better than the KKK, Aryan Nation, Nation of Islam, or Al Sharpton.

BTW, have you ever actually read the old testament?
 
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I believe your quote and the one I responded to was about religion not faith. Nonetheless I hope you feel better throwing around hatefulness, it's so Old Testament and not Christian at all.

The subject was religion. Or are you saying that the only religion is Christianity? Hatefulness is so "Old Testament", wow, really, wonder how the Jews would feel about that statement?
 
We also know that Athiest are a bunch of selfish haters that have no belief in anything beyond themselves.

There is absolutely now way you can prove that totally biased, bigoted, ignorant dumbass statement you made.

While your running around calling us dumb and idiots, here are some more "dumb idiots" for you.

25 Famous Scientists Who Believed in God

I'm glad to be in their company, not yours.

What nonsense, I am an atheist and like other atheists I believe in good people doing good things. I believe in my fellow human beings.

And religions for decades have been all about societal control of uneducated masses. This happened in Egypt, Greece, Rome, Europe during the dark ages, the Middle East until quite recently, Africa and South/Middle America for centuries from the Christians and before that from the rulers/medicine men from their original faiths, etc. etc. etc.

And Summerwind was spot on with her "is the culmination of fear, angst, hope,", how do you think the first religions started? Bushmen/women who where scared silly because of fire, rain, thunder, etc. etc.

Religion has always been used to explain away that what simple early nations/peoples could not explain.

And I do not think Summerwind called anybody stupid, correctly stating that religions was used by those in power (be it religious or other leaders) have always used religion to explain away that what they did not understand or where not able to prove through science.
 
So I could believe in God, but as long as I don't attend a dogmatic church I'm not religious?

If you attend church you are automatically religious.

If you say you are a believer in God but not religious you are, in my opinion, confused.
 
What you state as THE definition of faith is actually only one definition of faith. The Oxford dictionary also defines faith as: "complete trust or confidence in someone or something". Perhaps you should do a little more work toward maintaining accurate definitions yourself.

We're talking about religious faith here. If you look up that definition, you get the one I provided. It is blatantly dishonest to run around with the goalposts and pretend that religious faith and confidence are the same thing.
 
We're talking about religious faith here. If you look up that definition, you get the one I provided. It is blatantly dishonest to run around with the goalposts and pretend that religious faith and confidence are the same thing.

I'm bloody well sick and tired of people imputing motive to the things I've said. I was answering someone's question about whether "capitalism" or "feminism" could be a religion. I was pointing out that one of the definitions in the dictionary did allow the word to be used in that context. There is nothing dishonest or sneaky in what I did.
 
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