View Poll Results: should civil marriage be aboloshed in favor of holy matrimony only?

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  • Yes, because it will stop gay marriage

    0 0%
  • Yes, because everybody in the US should be part of a religion

    0 0%
  • Yes, because most people in the US do not want there to be gay marriage

    0 0%
  • Yes, because there should never have been civil marriage in the first place

    6 17.14%
  • No, because gays can also get married in some churches

    8 22.86%
  • No, because people should be free to also have no religion and be able to marry

    26 74.29%
  • No, because most people support gay marriage

    9 25.71%
  • No, because it is right that there is something like civil marriage

    11 31.43%
  • I don't care, I am already married and I do not plan to re-marry

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  • I am unmarried and will never marry, I hate being shackled to some man/woman

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Thread: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

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    Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Yes, angry over the defeat in the supreme court, some republican politicians have gone into crazy mode.

    Representative Steve King says:

    "So I'm calling upon the states, just abolish civil marriage, let's go back to holy matrimony the way it began, do that alone,". "In the next few days I'll be introducing legislation to do just that."


    So what do we think? In a nation that is getting less religious, he wants to abolish the right of people to have a civil marriage purely because he wants to stop gays from marrying.

    Here are a few problems with what he proposes (IMHO)

    1. how is this going to play with the supreme court by discriminating against non-religious people who would be unable to marry anymore due to this fool's possible proposal

    2. and this is a biggie some priests do marry gays and lesbians in a holy matrimony!!!!!!!!!!. So his big plan to make gay marriage impossible is in fact achieving nothing. He is just making a total ass of himself.

    3. the republican party does at some time want another president from their party in the white house because attitudes like this will not go down well with the voters (who are largely in favor of gay marriage).

    Steve King also said: "It's not the will of the people to have same sex marriage, now there's no point in having civil marriage in this country whatsoever,".

    He does have internet right? He does know that the opinion polls show that a big majority of Americans support gay marriage? Or is he just totally out of touch with reality?

    But here is the question, do you agree with republican Steve King, civil marriage has to be abolished in the US in favor of holy matrimony only?
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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Where's the poll?

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Representative Steve King says:

    "So I'm calling upon the states, just abolish civil marriage, let's go back to holy matrimony the way it began, do that alone,". "In the next few days I'll be introducing legislation to do just that."
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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    I voted: "No, because people should be free to also have no religion and be able to marry" but that's only because that's pretty much the current situation and expectation.

    But basically I dont believe the govt should be involved in marriage at all and should not confer any benefits or privileges.
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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    The voting options are suspect, so I did not vote.

    But as a note for the thread, this is just a play on words. We have long since passed the point of "holy matrimony" (or, marriage in a context) being something without the State. We have too much conditional government recognition and benefit attached to marriage to simply abolish it now. We are talking about everything from licensing, to legal status, to conditions of estate, to even tax code and it would all have to be undone. It is simply not practical to make such a legislative effort just because of disagreement with the SSM ruling.

    We can debate all day long about the government being involved in marriage in any sense, but this plan by Steve King is just political grandstanding foolishness devoid of reality on where we are with this subject.
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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    The "Taking our ball and going home" amendment.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The "Taking our ball and going home" amendment.
    We knew a kid who tried that. He always had the hardest time coming to grips with the fact that the ball was never his.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    As for Christian protestant beliefs: Martin Luther is the one that first said Marriage is a civil matter, and that it can be ordained by Christ in the church, but it is first of all a civil matter.

    Jews get married. Muslims get married. Agnostics get married. Atheists get married. It isn't JUST a Christian union. People were getting married LONG before Christ was born.

    Marriage is a civil contract between two people. People can live together and have children without getting married. The Marriage license guarantees that the civilian court will arbitrate any disagreements between the parties of the marriage. Unmarried people do not have the same protections in court that married people do.
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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Yes, angry over the defeat in the supreme court, some republican politicians have gone into crazy mode.

    Representative Steve King says:

    "So I'm calling upon the states, just abolish civil marriage, let's go back to holy matrimony the way it began, do that alone,". "In the next few days I'll be introducing legislation to do just that."


    So what do we think? In a nation that is getting less religious, he wants to abolish the right of people to have a civil marriage purely because he wants to stop gays from marrying.

    Here are a few problems with what he proposes (IMHO)

    1. how is this going to play with the supreme court by discriminating against non-religious people who would be unable to marry anymore due to this fool's possible proposal

    2. and this is a biggie some priests do marry gays and lesbians in a holy matrimony!!!!!!!!!!. So his big plan to make gay marriage impossible is in fact achieving nothing. He is just making a total ass of himself.

    3. the republican party does at some time want another president from their party in the white house because attitudes like this will not go down well with the voters (who are largely in favor of gay marriage).

    Steve King also said: "It's not the will of the people to have same sex marriage, now there's no point in having civil marriage in this country whatsoever,".

    He does have internet right? He does know that the opinion polls show that a big majority of Americans support gay marriage? Or is he just totally out of touch with reality?

    But here is the question, do you agree with republican Steve King, civil marriage has to be abolished in the US in favor of holy matrimony only?

    Actually, I've been saying this for years. Civil marriage is ridiculous and should have no place in society.

    My reasoning is different though..... I'm a single guy, and I pay taxes. If I were a married guy, I would pay less taxes. That, to me, isn't fair... and for that reason and that reason alone, I don't believe the government (especially the IRS) should be involved in marriage

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    As for Christian protestant beliefs: Martin Luther is the one that first said Marriage is a civil matter, and that it can be ordained by Christ in the church, but it is first of all a civil matter.

    Jews get married. Muslims get married. Agnostics get married. Atheists get married. It isn't JUST a Christian union. People were getting married LONG before Christ was born.

    Marriage is a civil contract between two people. People can live together and have children without getting married. The Marriage license guarantees that the civilian court will arbitrate any disagreements between the parties of the marriage. Unmarried people do not have the same protections in court that married people do.
    Civil courts should have nothing to do with marriage. The entire concept of alimony is garbage. No adult should have to give another adult human being a weekly allowance.... the entire concept is so dated and sexist it's ridiculous.


    A relationship is between two people and two people alone.... and, if they want, their church/synagogue/god/etc. The government really doesn't belong in the discussion.

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