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Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

should civil marriage be aboloshed in favor of holy matrimony only?

  • Yes, because it will stop gay marriage

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes, because everybody in the US should be part of a religion

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes, because most people in the US do not want there to be gay marriage

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I don't care, I am already married and I do not plan to re-marry

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I am unmarried and will never marry, I hate being shackled to some man/woman

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    35
Not working? Caring for the home, children, shopping (yeah, you take a kid or 2 with you while you run all your errands and grocery shot), etc. is not working?

It's working more and harder than alot of middle management desk jockeys.

Because all stay at home moms take care of the house.

And taking kids shopping if the kid is well behaved is pretty much no big thing at all. If the kids parents aren't complete slugs their kid should be well behaved enough to not be a complete disaster in the store. If the mother is however struggling with her kid in the store all the time then chances are she isn't worth much as a mom anyways.
 
Not working? Caring for the home, children, shopping (yeah, you take a kid or 2 with you while you run all your errands and grocery shot), etc. is not working?

It's working more and harder than alot of middle management desk jockeys.

What's the going rate for a nanny where you live?

I could hire a maid for 100 bucks here in Texas to deep clean my entire house, and I can pay a babysitter 10 bucks an hour to watch the kids
 
That's ridiculous. Nobody forced her not to work. Plenty of women work and have kids, my mother did it, for example. That's why maternity leave exists.

The choice not to work is a CHOICE some women make as adults, which is fine, but nobody else is responsible for the choices she makes

It's not right that she chooses to stay home and not work, bangs the pool boy, and then gets paid for all her years of not working

Did you or did you not see the "joint decision" part of my statement?

And the husband is just as likely banging someone at work - not that it really matters one way or the other.
 
Who else can you name that is compensated because of lost economic opportunity because they decided to leave the workforce?

Again "jointly decided." If it's a decision both made - and in any stable relationship I'd wager that that is the case - the woman doesn't make the decision alone.
 
Because all stay at home moms take care of the house.

And taking kids shopping if the kid is well behaved is pretty much no big thing at all. If the kids parents aren't complete slugs their kid should be well behaved enough to not be a complete disaster in the store. If the mother is however struggling with her kid in the store all the time then chances are she isn't worth much as a mom anyways.

Many - even most - do. Cut the family income in half, add another mouth to feed, and you really can't afford to pay for housekeepers.
 
Did you or did you not see the "joint decision" part of my statement?

And the husband is just as likely banging someone at work - not that it really matters one way or the other.

Yeah it does matter

And sorry, choosing not to have a job is acceptable -there is nothing wrong with being a housewife- but it is a CHOICE.

We're responsible for our own choices in this world.
 
What's the going rate for a nanny where you live?

I could hire a maid for 100 bucks here in Texas to deep clean my entire house, and I can pay a babysitter 10 bucks an hour to watch the kids

What does that have to do it? Even as you indicate, maids and babysitters are paid for their labor.
 
Did you or did you not see the "joint decision" part of my statement?

And the husband is just as likely banging someone at work - not that it really matters one way or the other.

No, it's actually less likely by a pretty good bit. Anyway, how do you prove he had a hand to play in the decision? It's not like she needs him to agree nor is it likely there is anything to prove he agreed to anything.
 
What's the going rate for a nanny where you live?

I could hire a maid for 100 bucks here in Texas to deep clean my entire house, and I can pay a babysitter 10 bucks an hour to watch the kids

Don't know what the rate is in NY but 10 bucks/hr seems low for someone other than the neighbors kid. Even so at $10/hr that's $400/wk or more, if you have a long commute, when the kids aren't in school. Almost $21,000 /year

A maid in NY would easily run 100 for a weekly cleaning. Another 5K. What about errands like shopping? laundry? Dealing with school issues - you're gonna lose some vacation days dealing with those. It adds up. Fast.
 
Yeah it does matter

And sorry, choosing not to have a job is acceptable -there is nothing wrong with being a housewife- but it is a CHOICE.

We're responsible for our own choices in this world.

And when a couple has an unwritten, good faith contract that both adhere to until there is a divorce? One works outside the home, one inside. Is that unwritten contract meaningless? To you perhaps. And since it isnt enforceable under the law, the law created alimony.
 
Yeah it does matter

And sorry, choosing not to have a job is acceptable -there is nothing wrong with being a housewife- but it is a CHOICE.

We're responsible for our own choices in this world.

Yes we are responsible for our choices and if the husband agreed with that decision that the wife stay home and rear the kids he has a responsibility to support her. If the marriage fails he has a responsibility to make her as whole as he can.
 
No, it's actually less likely by a pretty good bit. Anyway, how do you prove he had a hand to play in the decision? It's not like she needs him to agree nor is it likely there is anything to prove he agreed to anything.

It's completely unobvious to me. As I said it was a decision my wife and I jointly made. Maybe we're different that way but I hardly think so.
 
Many - even most - do. Cut the family income in half, add another mouth to feed, and you really can't afford to pay for housekeepers.

Plenty of families handle all of those concerns after work or on the weekends. It's not like the house is going to get all that dirty when no one is there all day or the laundry takes ten hours to wash.
 
It's completely unobvious to me. As I said it was a decision my wife and I jointly made. Maybe we're different that way but I hardly think do.

How would she prove that you agreed to her staying at home?
 
Plenty of families handle all of those concerns after work or on the weekends. It's not like the house is going to get all that dirty when no one is there all day or the laundry takes ten hours to wash.

You ever have kids? I'm just asking cause most parents would probably tell you that that statement does not reflect reality especially before the kids reach school age.
 
What does that have to do it? Even as you indicate, maids and babysitters are paid for their labor.

Tell me how a strong modern woman can sit here and say that women need men to pay them an allowance. If we're truly equal then a woman can work as easily as a man can. If she chooses not to or would rather stay home, then that's her choice, but have some pride and take ownership of that choice
 
How would she prove that you agreed to her staying at home?

If the guy's an ass and decides to run from his responsibility I don't know. That question though is a bit different from asking whether he has a moral responsibility to her if they divorce.
 
And when a couple has an unwritten, good faith contract that both adhere to until there is a divorce? One works outside the home, one inside. Is that unwritten contract meaningless? To you perhaps. And since it isnt enforceable under the law, the law created alimony.

No, people who saw women as poor, helpless, frail little things that can't take care of themselves invented alimony. It harkens from the days when a woman would live at home with daddy until she married, then her husband would take care of her. Nobody expected a woman could take care of herself.

So if her mean ole husband divorced her (because women never initiated divorce) then clearly she deserves some money so the poor little thing wouldn't starve

The concept is outdated and needs to go. Women can be self reliant in 2015 and that should be the expectation, not the exception
 
What's the going rate for a nanny where you live?

I could hire a maid for 100 bucks here in Texas to deep clean my entire house, and I can pay a babysitter 10 bucks an hour to watch the kids


100 bucks a week for maid service and 10 bucks an hour for a baby sitter.


That's (100 * 52) + (10 * 2000) = $25,200 per year (assuming you are full employed for the standard 2080 work year but that you don't need a babysitter for 2 weeks of vacation.


Over 25 grand and you haven't paid for any expenses like food, clothing, residence, utilities, etc.



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No, people who saw women as poor, helpless, frail little things that can't take care of themselves invented alimony. It harkens from the days when a woman would live at home with daddy until she married, then her husband would take care of her. Nobody expected a woman could take care of herself.

The concept is outdated and needs to go. Women can be self reliant in 2015 and that should be the expectation, not the exception

You can think that, we can see you believe it. Cool. Yet myself and others have written more factual reasons that the law was actually based on. It does adhere somewhat to your reasons, which you wrote in a deliberately and obviously misogynistic manner. Yes, we can all see what you believe.

And it has been scaled back a great deal these days to reflect the greater independence and opportunities for women.

Edit: it has also evolved to offer alimony for men. Huh, why is that? IMO, today, for women, it is to supplement child support so that the family home or other secure residence is provided. A family sized home is different than a single person apt or residence financially.
 
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And when a couple has an unwritten, good faith contract that both adhere to until there is a divorce? One works outside the home, one inside. Is that unwritten contract meaningless? To you perhaps. And since it isnt enforceable under the law, the law created alimony.

A contract you can't prove even prove exists is pretty much meaningless, sorry.
 
100 bucks a week for maid service and 10 bucks an hour for a baby sitter.


That's (100 * 52) + (10 * 2000) = $25,200 per year (assuming you are full employed for the standard 2080 work year but that you don't need a babysitter for 2 weeks of vacation.


Over 25 grand and you haven't paid for any expenses like food, clothing, residence, utilities, etc.



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Cool so she can't get a job that pays 25 grand?
 
No, people who saw women as poor, helpless, frail little things that can't take care of themselves invented alimony. It harkens from the days when a woman would live at home with daddy until she married, then her husband would take care of her. Nobody expected a woman could take care of herself.

So if her mean ole husband divorced her (because women never initiated divorce) then clearly she deserves some money so the poor little thing wouldn't starve

The concept is outdated and needs to go. Women can be self reliant in 2015 and that should be the expectation, not the exception

I love how it's always, "what if the man cheats or the man divorces her" ignoring completely that more women cheat and more women file for divorce. lol. I bet I shouldn't mention how many stay at home moms cheat. lol.
 
You can think that, we can see you believe it. Cool. Yet myself and others have written more factual reasons that the law was actually based on. It does adhere somewhat to your reasons, which you wrote in a deliberately and obviously misogynistic manner. Yes, we can all see what you believe.

And it has been scaled back a great deal these days to reflect the greater independence and opportunities for women.

I believe there's a strong irony that someone can claim to be a feminist yet imply that women in 2015 are so helpless they can't work
 
I love how it's always, "what if the man cheats or the man divorces her" ignoring completely that more women cheat and more women file for divorce. lol. I bet I shouldn't mention how many stay at home moms cheat. lol.

Exactly why civil marriage is a pretty stupid idea.
 
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