View Poll Results: should civil marriage be aboloshed in favor of holy matrimony only?

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  • Yes, because it will stop gay marriage

    0 0%
  • Yes, because everybody in the US should be part of a religion

    0 0%
  • Yes, because most people in the US do not want there to be gay marriage

    0 0%
  • Yes, because there should never have been civil marriage in the first place

    6 17.14%
  • No, because gays can also get married in some churches

    8 22.86%
  • No, because people should be free to also have no religion and be able to marry

    26 74.29%
  • No, because most people support gay marriage

    9 25.71%
  • No, because it is right that there is something like civil marriage

    11 31.43%
  • I don't care, I am already married and I do not plan to re-marry

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  • I am unmarried and will never marry, I hate being shackled to some man/woman

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Thread: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    What about spouses who sacrifice their careers to raise children? Are they able to support themselves? A woman, or man for that matter, going back into the job market after caring for kids for a couple of decades is going to take a significant financial hit. Should that be uncompensated if a couple decides to split up?
    If you want to pay your spouse for making a decision to stay home there is nothing stopping you from doing so.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Taking the tax benefits of marriage out of the equation marriage, civilly or in church, brings a set of standardized benefits that touch almost all aspects of a couple's life together. As well giving legal force to what is not a blood relation makes life easier for most married couples. It's possible, though probably not easily so, for a couple to set all that up on their own. Even with that however government still needs to be involved in marriages or whatever you'd choose to call those relationships to insure that the interests of minor children are looked after if the relationship ends.

    So no I do not think it possible to get the government out of marriage at this stage of the game.
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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    i always thought that all "marriages" should be civil unions

    you get a piece of paper from the courthouse.....that is all you need to legally get hitched

    why call them marriages?

    it's just a word, right?

    i wont love my wife any differently, or any less if our union is a civil union, or a marriage

    leave the marriages to the churches......if they want to perform a ceremony and say you're married, wonderful

    everyone gets a civil union....everyone gets the exact same rights as a couple......and the government no longer has to worry about the separation of church/state

    i have zero clue why this wasnt done......to me it keeps everyone equal as far as the government is concerned

    and let's the churches/religions do as their covenants will or wont allow
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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If you want to pay your spouse for making a decision to stay home there is nothing stopping you from doing so.
    Not the point. Say two career people get married and they jointly decide that one should give up their career to raise the kids. 20 years later they split up. The stay at home is 20 years behind their peers assuming they are even employable in their old field. They have suffered real economic harm from a jointly made decision. They deserve to be paid for that.
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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Not the point. Say two career people get married and they jointly decide that one should give up their career to raise the kids. 20 years later they split up. The stay at home is 20 years behind their peers assuming they are even employable in their old field. They have suffered real economic harm from a jointly made decision. They deserve to be paid for that.
    No, they don't. They didn't have to do anything and when they decided to not work that was a decision they made on their own free will. People don't just deserve money because they made a stupid decision.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, they don't. They didn't have to do anything and when they decided to not work that was a decision they made on their own free will. People don't just deserve money because they made a stupid decision.
    Even if it was, as I stipulated, a jointly made decision.

    And what makes that decision stupid?
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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    People can get a contract written that does most of those. For military matters, the government could just allow someone else and his or her children to be covered by their medical plan, etc. All it would do is change it from being put in place by marriage, to put in place by permission slip. Yes, the person would actually have to be arsed to go to the military and get things moving instead of the government just knowing who they are with, but if they can't be arsed with simple matters like this, then well, **** their lazy asses.

    People could do some things with a contract. And many can't be reproduced with a contract.

    For the limited number that can, not for the $50 fee of a marriage license.



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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Even if it was, as I stipulated, a jointly made decision.

    And what makes that decision stupid?
    You already said what makes the decision stupid. Leaving the workplace for years affects your ability to get a job in the future. Regardless, most of the time the woman makes the decision all on her own. Sure, she might ask the guy what he thinks, but chances are he isn't going to challenge her on it even if he is against it.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    People could do some things with a contract. And many can't be reproduced with a contract.

    For the limited number that can, not for the $50 fee of a marriage license.

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    So really it mostly just comes down to cost and the amount of work needed to get what people want. I really don't think those are very strong reasons, sorry.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So really it mostly just comes down to cost and the amount of work needed to get what people want. I really don't think those are very strong reasons, sorry.

    The fact that because gays can now get married it a pretty weak argument for ending the rights, responsibilities, and benefits that Civil Marriage brings to families like mine.


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