View Poll Results: should civil marriage be aboloshed in favor of holy matrimony only?

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  • Yes, because it will stop gay marriage

    0 0%
  • Yes, because everybody in the US should be part of a religion

    0 0%
  • Yes, because most people in the US do not want there to be gay marriage

    0 0%
  • Yes, because there should never have been civil marriage in the first place

    6 17.14%
  • No, because gays can also get married in some churches

    8 22.86%
  • No, because people should be free to also have no religion and be able to marry

    26 74.29%
  • No, because most people support gay marriage

    9 25.71%
  • No, because it is right that there is something like civil marriage

    11 31.43%
  • I don't care, I am already married and I do not plan to re-marry

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  • I am unmarried and will never marry, I hate being shackled to some man/woman

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Thread: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    Yes, there was a time when it made sense as public policy to reward marriage as marriage was the center of procreation and child raising. Now most children are born outside of marriage and many married couples have no desire for children. About 30% of income inequality is due to the fact that people marry people in their same economic potential. Government money spent (through tax breaks, etc.), for marriage is better spent on people with children and not on subsidizing the top 30% who are currently benefiting. (Ignoring the top 5% or so who are minimally affected by marriage benefits)

    The arguments that the LGBT community had against hetero-only marriages made sense. What doesn't make sense are special benefits that add to income inequality and are not given to those unable to get married.

    The tax breaks (deduction for a child, deductions for child care, etc.) are the same for single or married.

    Could you provide an example of these tax breaks that my wife (married) and I get that an unmarried couple doesn't get. These tax breaks must be unique to being married and not just the same break x2 since there are two people involved.

    Because of our income differences my wife and I usually have paid a tax penalty for getting married.

    Thank you in advance.


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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    The tax breaks (deduction for a child, deductions for child care, etc.) are the same for single or married.

    Could you provide an example of these tax breaks that my wife (married) and I get that an unmarried couple doesn't get. These tax breaks must be unique to being married and not just the same break x2 since there are two people involved.

    Because of our income differences my wife and I usually have paid a tax penalty for getting married.

    Thank you in advance.


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    2014-2015 Tax Brackets | Bankrate.com

    Well, there are other government issued special benefits for married couples get that are denied unmarried (And I am surprised that we are having this conversation-why the big issue about being married if not for the government benefits?). Ease of transferring estates, tax free, ability to add borrowing power, extra benefits for military service personnel (housing allotments), health insurance benefits (normally) etc. And, admittedly, the tax benefits depend on the earnings of each person in the marriage. But Head of Households pay higher rates than Married.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    2014-2015 Tax Brackets | Bankrate.com

    Well, there are other government issued special benefits for married couples get that are denied unmarried (And I am surprised that we are having this conversation-why the big issue about being married if not for the government benefits?). Ease of transferring estates, tax free, ability to add borrowing power, extra benefits for military service personnel (housing allotments), health insurance benefits (normally) etc. And, admittedly, the tax benefits depend on the earnings of each person in the marriage. But Head of Households pay higher rates than Married.
    And those benefits are based on taking on a responsibility for someone else. The marriage itself just establishes a legal relationship. The legal relationship is what comes with the benefits, just as being someone's child, particularly of a certain age, comes with benefits.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Due to freedom of religion AND the free will people have to choose who they wish to spend the rest of their life with, I think Peter King's bill would be defeated from the onset. It's utterly ridiculous to attempt to legislate morality. It's equally foolish to attempt to exclude the rights of people who cohabitant in common-law AND have given legal authority to see to their legal affairs to be denied their legal rights under the law.

    In short, those who co-exist under common law and exercise a living will, a POA (durable or otherwise), a life insurance plan or an estate will would have their rights nullified upon their death, and by extension their Social Security benefits would not be transferred to their surviving common-law spouse. And for what? Just because of the prejudicial views of a democratic minority? Because such people like Rep. King are butt hurt over the SCOTUS upholding the rights of the people whom anti-marriage laws deny them to be treated equally under the law?

    As as much against the idea of gay marriage as the next Christian man, but their immortal soul should be left up to a higher power, not man.
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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    2014-2015 Tax Brackets | Bankrate.com

    Well, there are other government issued special benefits for married couples get that are denied unmarried (And I am surprised that we are having this conversation-why the big issue about being married if not for the government benefits?). Ease of transferring estates, tax free, ability to add borrowing power, extra benefits for military service personnel (housing allotments), health insurance benefits (normally) etc. And, admittedly, the tax benefits depend on the earnings of each person in the marriage. But Head of Households pay higher rates than Married.

    Tax brackets often result in marriage penalty, my wife and I normally pay higher taxes than either of us pay singly.

    Head of Household is a tax filing status for - you got it - a single person resulting in lower taxes.


    The rest recognize the family relationship and and allow people to keep more of their own property. Oh the horror that American's keep their own property.


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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    The funny thing is that the federal government is not going to abolish legal marriage any time in the near future. So it would have to be something done by the states. This would then lead likely to the federal government setting up a federal marriage license in order to recognize legal spouses as such (sort of like they did/proposed for the married same sex couples in the military). This then basically takes marriage away from the states, at least to a degree, putting more power in federal hands.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And those benefits are based on taking on a responsibility for someone else. The marriage itself just establishes a legal relationship. The legal relationship is what comes with the benefits, just as being someone's child, particularly of a certain age, comes with benefits.
    So you would be in favor of abolishing those laws against blood relatives marrying? Should siblings be allowed to marry as well as a parent and an adult child who care for each other?

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Tax brackets often result in marriage penalty, my wife and I normally pay higher taxes than either of us pay singly.

    Head of Household is a tax filing status for - you got it - a single person resulting in lower taxes.


    The rest recognize the family relationship and and allow people to keep more of their own property. Oh the horror that American's keep their own property.


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    Well, everytime I computed my taxes as 2 singles, single and HoH, or married the total tax was lowest for filing married. If both people in the marriage have the same income, perhaps there is no marriage benefit. Hard to believe that there is a married penalty but, yeah, a complex tax code could result in such a case. Perhaps for big earners.
    https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tool.../INF17870.html

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    So you would be in favor of abolishing those laws against blood relatives marrying? Should siblings be allowed to marry as well as a parent and an adult child who care for each other?
    Why would they need to? I actually don't agree with that. I think if they want something like what spouses get, they should simply petition the government for that in their legal relationships, to gain access to those types of things via their relationships.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Why would they need to? I actually don't agree with that. I think if they want something like what spouses get, they should simply petition the government for that in their legal relationships, to gain access to those types of things via their relationships.
    Are you being consistent? Our dialogue seem to start when I wrote that marriage consists of giving special government benefits to people who follow the religious idea that sex and procreation is so sacred that it should only be done by two people in a long term loving relationship. And extending those benefits to SS couples doesn't solve the inequality of not giving government special marriage benefits to polygamists, polyandrists, asexuals, nonsexuals, people who are unable to find a partner, as well as people who believe that sex can be done on a short term revolving basis and who therefore see no reason to marry. And all these people are denied "marriage equality". You responded with:
    You don't have to have sex to get married. Marriage is about establishing a legal kinship, not sex.

    Those that aren't married yet are free to get married if they want the benefits of marriage, of the kinship established by marriage. Just like if you want the benefits established by any other contract with another person.
    So, why force anyone who wants those marriage benefts related to legal kinship to jump through extra hoops that marriage provides much more easily? Or, why is it unequal to deny marriage benefits to same sex couples but not to those other people. Same sex people can also jump through extra hoops and get the legal kinship issues solved. Siblings are not allowed to marry each other.

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