View Poll Results: should civil marriage be aboloshed in favor of holy matrimony only?

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  • Yes, because it will stop gay marriage

    0 0%
  • Yes, because everybody in the US should be part of a religion

    0 0%
  • Yes, because most people in the US do not want there to be gay marriage

    0 0%
  • Yes, because there should never have been civil marriage in the first place

    6 17.14%
  • No, because gays can also get married in some churches

    8 22.86%
  • No, because people should be free to also have no religion and be able to marry

    26 74.29%
  • No, because most people support gay marriage

    9 25.71%
  • No, because it is right that there is something like civil marriage

    11 31.43%
  • I don't care, I am already married and I do not plan to re-marry

    0 0%
  • I am unmarried and will never marry, I hate being shackled to some man/woman

    0 0%
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Thread: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Alimony should end. You should not be paid because you made a bad decision that you will pay for in the future. If men want to join "the don't work and screw my life over" club they can, but the system to support them needs to end.
    The decision is usually a joint decision, and not a "bad" decision at that time. It will likely become so scarce that it shouldn't matter, but it is stupid to claim that it is a bad decision on one person's side to stay home to take care of the kids, other spouse, but if the other spouse leaves and has to pay for that decision (that was likely jointly made) then they didn't also make a bad decision.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well, as we've basically given up promoting nuclear families as benefiting society, the government might as well give up the whole marriage thing.
    Nuclear families have never been shown to be the only families that benefit society. It could easily be argued that extended families benefit society just as well, if not more, than nuclear families due to they usually involve multiple family members taking in other family members, who then don't cost society money to care for (or as much money to care for).
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The decision is usually a joint decision, and not a "bad" decision at that time. It will likely become so scarce that it shouldn't matter, but it is stupid to claim that it is a bad decision on one person's side to stay home to take care of the kids, other spouse, but if the other spouse leaves and has to pay for that decision (that was likely jointly made) then they didn't also make a bad decision.
    Prove it in court. It is a bad decision to stay at home and not work and it's proven by your own argument of women needing help because of the decision. If it was a wise decision they wouldn't have screwed their life over to the point where they need to pull the man along with them even after their marriage is over.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Prove it in court. It is a bad decision to stay at home and not work and it's proven by your own argument of women needing help because of the decision. If it was a wise decision they wouldn't have screwed their life over to the point where they need to pull the man along with them even after their marriage is over.
    That is what is done. It is simply proven in court that they made the decision that one would stay home and care for the home and children, while the other worked for the money for the family. That decision then causes one to be at a disadvantage in the work market later if the marriage ends.

    Alimony is not usually given today due to the fact that so few people are staying home now to care for their children without getting any life skills. I could almost certainly not get alimony, nor likely could my husband, because we both have job skills that can easily get either of us a job, despite both spending some time out of the work force to care for the children at different times in our relationship.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That is what is done. It is simply proven in court that they made the decision that one would stay home and care for the home and children, while the other worked for the money for the family. That decision then causes one to be at a disadvantage in the work market later if the marriage ends.
    How do you prove that the man agreed to the woman staying at home? If the man says he did not, exactly what do you have to say he did? Her word? I can't see how you have anything else.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How do you prove that the man agreed to the woman staying at home? If the man says he did not, exactly what do you have to say he did? Her word? I can't see how you have anything else.
    If he stayed with her, despite her not having a job, then he would have to show that he didn't agree to the decision, and that she wasn't making any sacrifices in doing what she did. Why stay with her if you don't think it is okay for her to stay home with the children, caring for the house?
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    If he stayed with her, despite her not having a job, then he would have to show that he didn't agree to the decision, and that she wasn't making any sacrifices in doing what she did. Why stay with her if you don't think it is okay for her to stay home with the children, caring for the house?
    So the man is supposed to get a divorce or something when she decides to stay at home if he doesn't agree? That is a reasonable standard to you? I don't see how the woman staying at home is grounds to divorce her. lol.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So the man is supposed to get a divorce or something when she decides to stay at home if he doesn't agree? That is a reasonable standard to you? I don't see how the woman staying at home is grounds to divorce her. lol.
    If he would rather she not stay home, then why would he stay with her if she was not going to agree to such a big decision? Did they not discuss this stuff prior to getting married?

    Plus, it has to be a relatively significant difference in income to end up in alimony, as well as having little to no relevant job skills. It takes longer than a year or two to reach this point in marriage (unless they started out with a significant difference, which should always be taken into consideration by the person making a whole helluva lot more than the other. Plus, they take into consideration a lot of things, including past jobs that have been held (since those could be relevant job skills), education, and any potential connections available to them. If the person entitled to alimony gets remarried, they lose the alimony.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    If he would rather she not stay home, then why would he stay with her if she was not going to agree to such a big decision? Did they not discuss this stuff prior to getting married?
    I don't think this is something most people would consider grounds for divorce. It seems a bit fast to the trigger to call it grounds for divorce, imho.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I don't think this is something most people would consider grounds for divorce. It seems a bit fast to the trigger to call it grounds for divorce, imho.
    Then why would they not take such things into consideration before they got married? If they didn't take considerations about their future spouse into mind then, before the marriage, such as what job skills, education, and whether they have a job or not before they got married, then isn't that a bad decision on their part?
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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