View Poll Results: should civil marriage be aboloshed in favor of holy matrimony only?

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  • Yes, because it will stop gay marriage

    0 0%
  • Yes, because everybody in the US should be part of a religion

    0 0%
  • Yes, because most people in the US do not want there to be gay marriage

    0 0%
  • Yes, because there should never have been civil marriage in the first place

    6 17.14%
  • No, because gays can also get married in some churches

    8 22.86%
  • No, because people should be free to also have no religion and be able to marry

    26 74.29%
  • No, because most people support gay marriage

    9 25.71%
  • No, because it is right that there is something like civil marriage

    11 31.43%
  • I don't care, I am already married and I do not plan to re-marry

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  • I am unmarried and will never marry, I hate being shackled to some man/woman

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Thread: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Civil courts should have nothing to do with marriage. The entire concept of alimony is garbage. No adult should have to give another adult human being a weekly allowance.... the entire concept is so dated and sexist it's ridiculous.


    A relationship is between two people and two people alone.... and, if they want, their church/synagogue/god/etc. The government really doesn't belong in the discussion.
    I wish you were correct. Unfortunately, they do, because of children that are produced in the marriage and not everyone is honorable enough to take care of their kids.

    And that's just one of many reasons why marriage is seen as a civil contract, and why even Martin Luther understood it needed to be so.
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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I wish you were correct. Unfortunately, they do, because of children that are produced in the marriage and not everyone is honorable enough to take care of their kids.

    And that's just one of many reasons why marriage is seen as a civil contract, and why even Martin Luther understood it needed to be so.
    I still believe in child support. I don't believe in alimony. And Martin Luther was alive hundreds of years ago, times have clearly changed.

    Alimony harkens back to a day when women couldn't work or take care of themselves. A divorced woman would move back in with her father. Today.... a woman is capable of taking care of herself just as a man is, so there is no reason for archaic and ancient civil marriage contracts

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I still believe in child support. I don't believe in alimony. And Martin Luther was alive hundreds of years ago, times have clearly changed.

    Alimony harkens back to a day when women couldn't work or take care of themselves. A divorced woman would move back in with her father. Today.... a woman is capable of taking care of herself just as a man is, so there is no reason for archaic and ancient civil marriage contracts
    I agree with you about alimony.

    However, I've been with the same woman for going on 36 years now, so I don't think I'll be paying any alimony. Or at least... I hope not.
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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I wish you were correct. Unfortunately, they do, because of children that are produced in the marriage and not everyone is honorable enough to take care of their kids.

    And that's just one of many reasons why marriage is seen as a civil contract, and why even Martin Luther understood it needed to be so.
    And it's one of the clear reasons why SSM is a benefit to society overall...it protects the children in those families...both when together and in divorce. In hospital, for benefits, custody, inheritance, legal guardianship, etc.
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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I agree with you about alimony.

    However, I've been with the same woman for going on 36 years now, so I don't think I'll be paying any alimony. Or at least... I hope not.
    Alimony may be outdated today *in some cases* but in the past it protected families....because it was usually the man that cheated on the woman and back then, women often didnt have careers. So they dumped the families and the families had no means of support. Of course there were exceptions but in general, it's true. Even if she cheated, they still took the kids into account and the need for support for a mortgage or rent. And if she went out to find work, then childcare.
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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    It's just like Jesus said, when the government forces you to share your toys, thou shalt break them and go home.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    I want to vote "NO" but I can't decide which no response fits my reason.

    I am not sure what is meant by "civil marriage" unless he means the issuing of marriage licenses. If that's the case then he is essentially advocating a position that would ultimately deny ALL couples the current privileges and immunities that are protected by law.

    Sure, you could still go through with any ceremony you wish, religious or otherwise, and then begin to live with each other. I suppose that in the few states with "Common-law" marriage laws you could retain some rights. But otherwise you would just be two people living together calling yourself married.

    It would literally be exactly the way it was for same-sex couples prior to the SCOTUS decision, only now in every state of the Union for opposite-sex couples too.

    It wouldn't work.
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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I want to vote "NO" but I can't decide which no response fits my reason.

    I am not sure what is meant by "civil marriage" unless he means the issuing of marriage licenses. If that's the case then he is essentially advocating a position that would ultimately deny ALL couples the current privileges and immunities that are protected by law.

    Sure, you could still go through with any ceremony you wish, religious or otherwise, and then begin to live with each other. I suppose that in the few states with "Common-law" marriage laws you could retain some rights. But otherwise you would just be two people living together calling yourself married.

    It would literally be exactly the way it was for same-sex couples prior to the SCOTUS decision, only now in every state of the Union for opposite-sex couples too.

    It wouldn't work.
    I think he does mean that no marriage licenses should be handed out by the government and that the only recognized marriage should be one that was done in a church.
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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    I'd have no problem with government getting out of marriage and granting all couples civil unions instead, but I don't really see the need for a change from the status quo. Especially after the most recent SCOTUS ruling, people want to have government recognizes marriages, so let them.
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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Actually, I've been saying this for years. Civil marriage is ridiculous and should have no place in society.

    My reasoning is different though..... I'm a single guy, and I pay taxes. If I were a married guy, I would pay less taxes. That, to me, isn't fair... and for that reason and that reason alone, I don't believe the government (especially the IRS) should be involved in marriage
    Well, the powers that be have decided that "the family is the cornerstone of the country and needs tax breaks". And making it no longer civil marriage will not change the fact that married people will get tax breaks because the "holy matrimony" talked about here does not exclude that. King does not want to stop people getting tax breaks, he wants to stop gays getting married, that is the whole point of this proposal he wants to introduce in congress. Only church weddings are allowed in future to prevent gays from marrying in front of a judge or non-religious marriage service.
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