View Poll Results: should civil marriage be aboloshed in favor of holy matrimony only?

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  • Yes, because it will stop gay marriage

    0 0%
  • Yes, because everybody in the US should be part of a religion

    0 0%
  • Yes, because most people in the US do not want there to be gay marriage

    0 0%
  • Yes, because there should never have been civil marriage in the first place

    6 17.14%
  • No, because gays can also get married in some churches

    8 22.86%
  • No, because people should be free to also have no religion and be able to marry

    26 74.29%
  • No, because most people support gay marriage

    9 25.71%
  • No, because it is right that there is something like civil marriage

    11 31.43%
  • I don't care, I am already married and I do not plan to re-marry

    0 0%
  • I am unmarried and will never marry, I hate being shackled to some man/woman

    0 0%
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Thread: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    What does that have to do it? Even as you indicate, maids and babysitters are paid for their labor.
    Tell me how a strong modern woman can sit here and say that women need men to pay them an allowance. If we're truly equal then a woman can work as easily as a man can. If she chooses not to or would rather stay home, then that's her choice, but have some pride and take ownership of that choice

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How would she prove that you agreed to her staying at home?
    If the guy's an ass and decides to run from his responsibility I don't know. That question though is a bit different from asking whether he has a moral responsibility to her if they divorce.
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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    And when a couple has an unwritten, good faith contract that both adhere to until there is a divorce? One works outside the home, one inside. Is that unwritten contract meaningless? To you perhaps. And since it isnt enforceable under the law, the law created alimony.
    No, people who saw women as poor, helpless, frail little things that can't take care of themselves invented alimony. It harkens from the days when a woman would live at home with daddy until she married, then her husband would take care of her. Nobody expected a woman could take care of herself.

    So if her mean ole husband divorced her (because women never initiated divorce) then clearly she deserves some money so the poor little thing wouldn't starve

    The concept is outdated and needs to go. Women can be self reliant in 2015 and that should be the expectation, not the exception

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    What's the going rate for a nanny where you live?

    I could hire a maid for 100 bucks here in Texas to deep clean my entire house, and I can pay a babysitter 10 bucks an hour to watch the kids

    100 bucks a week for maid service and 10 bucks an hour for a baby sitter.


    That's (100 * 52) + (10 * 2000) = $25,200 per year (assuming you are full employed for the standard 2080 work year but that you don't need a babysitter for 2 weeks of vacation.


    Over 25 grand and you haven't paid for any expenses like food, clothing, residence, utilities, etc.



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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    No, people who saw women as poor, helpless, frail little things that can't take care of themselves invented alimony. It harkens from the days when a woman would live at home with daddy until she married, then her husband would take care of her. Nobody expected a woman could take care of herself.

    The concept is outdated and needs to go. Women can be self reliant in 2015 and that should be the expectation, not the exception
    You can think that, we can see you believe it. Cool. Yet myself and others have written more factual reasons that the law was actually based on. It does adhere somewhat to your reasons, which you wrote in a deliberately and obviously misogynistic manner. Yes, we can all see what you believe.

    And it has been scaled back a great deal these days to reflect the greater independence and opportunities for women.

    Edit: it has also evolved to offer alimony for men. Huh, why is that? IMO, today, for women, it is to supplement child support so that the family home or other secure residence is provided. A family sized home is different than a single person apt or residence financially.
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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    And when a couple has an unwritten, good faith contract that both adhere to until there is a divorce? One works outside the home, one inside. Is that unwritten contract meaningless? To you perhaps. And since it isnt enforceable under the law, the law created alimony.
    A contract you can't prove even prove exists is pretty much meaningless, sorry.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    100 bucks a week for maid service and 10 bucks an hour for a baby sitter.


    That's (100 * 52) + (10 * 2000) = $25,200 per year (assuming you are full employed for the standard 2080 work year but that you don't need a babysitter for 2 weeks of vacation.


    Over 25 grand and you haven't paid for any expenses like food, clothing, residence, utilities, etc.



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    Cool so she can't get a job that pays 25 grand?

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    No, people who saw women as poor, helpless, frail little things that can't take care of themselves invented alimony. It harkens from the days when a woman would live at home with daddy until she married, then her husband would take care of her. Nobody expected a woman could take care of herself.

    So if her mean ole husband divorced her (because women never initiated divorce) then clearly she deserves some money so the poor little thing wouldn't starve

    The concept is outdated and needs to go. Women can be self reliant in 2015 and that should be the expectation, not the exception
    I love how it's always, "what if the man cheats or the man divorces her" ignoring completely that more women cheat and more women file for divorce. lol. I bet I shouldn't mention how many stay at home moms cheat. lol.

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You can think that, we can see you believe it. Cool. Yet myself and others have written more factual reasons that the law was actually based on. It does adhere somewhat to your reasons, which you wrote in a deliberately and obviously misogynistic manner. Yes, we can all see what you believe.

    And it has been scaled back a great deal these days to reflect the greater independence and opportunities for women.
    I believe there's a strong irony that someone can claim to be a feminist yet imply that women in 2015 are so helpless they can't work

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    Re: Republican Steve King wants an abolish civil marriage in the United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I love how it's always, "what if the man cheats or the man divorces her" ignoring completely that more women cheat and more women file for divorce. lol. I bet I shouldn't mention how many stay at home moms cheat. lol.
    Exactly why civil marriage is a pretty stupid idea.

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