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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    There are no cancer patients in public school? There are no immune compromised kids in public school? I remember one of my classmates being treated for leukemia when I was in 7th grade. He depended upon everyone being vaccinated around him and thus there being herd immunity. Not a problem back then because we did not have a bunch anti-vax idiots getting their medical advice from celebrities, arguments from ignorance, and thoroughly discredited studies.

    Frankly the school requirement is simply the stick used to bring up vaccination rates to the levels needed to safe guard public health. We adopted two girls from China, they could not come to the United States until they were current on their vaccinations. There is a reason for that. In my opinion these idiots that want the freedom not to vaccinate should pack it up and move to a country with a public health system more conducive to their personal views like DR Congo or Haiti.
    I think the government has done a horrible job at making the case for why. Until reading your posts my understanding of the motive was Mom and Dad aren't good enough parents in our, the liberal politicians' view, so we're going to force them to make the parental choices we would make because we know what's better for their children than they do. Thanks
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Yep. But the Conservatives whine about the cost, so that's out.
    I wonder what the cost of the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic was? Anyone want to complain about that?
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Depends on which vaccines. The government shouldn't have the ability to force all vaccines across the board, just specific ones... like the old school ones.
    I think the CDC should be able to add different required vaccines to the basics, based on the current situation. You never know what's out there this year.

    Though, I think there is some muddiness to be found in the matter of the government forcing medical procedures. That most people agree with the law doesn't change the fact.
    It's insane not to force this kind of thing. Back when ebola was a big deal, if someone who had the disease said they refused medical treatment, they were going to go walking around in public spreading it to unsuspecting people, they'd have been thrown in the back of a truck and put in quarantine whether they liked it or not. Welcome to reality. The public's health is more important than the individual's rights.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I think the CDC should be able to add different required vaccines to the basics, based on the current situation. You never know what's out there this year.
    I think they should be able to form strongly recommended lists of yearly vaccines, that are not enforceable. I know we all like to think that vaccines are just about public welfare but there are major politicoeconomic forces at work when it comes to these medicines.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's insane not to force this kind of thing. Back when ebola was a big deal, if someone who had the disease said they refused medical treatment, they were going to go walking around in public spreading it to unsuspecting people, they'd have been thrown in the back of a truck and put in quarantine whether they liked it or not. Welcome to reality. The public's health is more important than the individual's rights.
    I won't be drawn into a hypothetical scenario about ebola, because it never happened. It's a half-baked bait and switch argument and it's intellectually dishonest.

    Some vaccines have a higher failure rate because they are based on lab born strains and not wild strains. There are many documented cases of children getting the MMR and still contracting mumps from other children who got sick from the wild strains. Diseases are constantly mutating. A friend of the family got the mumps vaccine as a child and at 19 years old he contracted mumps. There are no guarantees. Then there is also the issue of potential auto-immune disease, and autism. I read a really interesting book recently called "Gut and Psychology Syndrome" by Dr Natasha Campbell-McBride which addresses this issue. Her focus is mainly on diet as a means of correcting childhood disorders but her treatise on vaccines is really fascinating from a scientific perspective.

    Anyway, regardless if you think the counter-science is bunk or not, I completely disagree with the State forcing medical procedures on people, especially with the backing of multi-billion dollar transnational drug companies. There is too much conflict of interest. We should all have a choice. I'd be willing to home school my children rather than let the State dictate what goes into their bodies. That kind of non-sense happened a lot in the eugenics era and we had an entire generation of children being silently experimented on with drugs and procedures that had questionable safety standards. I don't trust drug companies, not one iota. If you want to be spoon fed their spiel about how great their drugs are, then that's your choice for you and your family, and none of my business.

    I also don't appreciate your whole "welcome to reality, nah nah nah boo boo" jab. Last time I checked we live in a democratic republic. Discussion and if necessary correction of public policy is part of the polity.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Yes.

    Overall public good supersedes everything else.

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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Vaccinated for what? You can't make such a general question. Depends on what diseases and multiple vaccinations should NOT be given at once - and not close together.

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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Depends on which vaccines. The government shouldn't have the ability to force all vaccines across the board, just specific ones... like the old school ones.

    Though, I think there is some muddiness to be found in the matter of the government forcing medical procedures. That most people agree with the law doesn't change the fact.
    That's what I was thinking. Certain ones can be mandated but not all. I mean who wants to be the guinea pig for an ebola vaccine? Certainly not me. I would prefer to wait a decade or so and check out any sort of side effects. Remember the swine flu vaccine that everyone rushed to get because it was "going to get us all?" It was pulled after killing and maiming people and they had to pay. I don't want to see that sort of thing again.

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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquignon View Post
    Vaccinated for what? You can't make such a general question. Depends on what diseases and multiple vaccinations should NOT be given at once - and not close together.
    Experts say otherwise.

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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    In this case public health interests override ridiculous religious or personal beliefs. I never said anything about getting rid of medical exemptions, obviously you cannot give someone who is allergic a vaccine. In order for your youngest cousin to be safe, the maximum number of people possible have to have the vaccine.
    I agree. I'm not anti vaccine by any means, I just realize that they can be dangerous for some. I was vaccinated for everything they vaccinated against. Didn't vaccinate against chicken pox in the 80's, I got them same everyone else. I just hope my almost 3 year old cousin grows out of all his allergies, some kids do. My eye doctor's niece did.
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