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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    I would add that vaccines are statistically some of the safest medical treatments available. For example, the risk of severe complications from Ibuprofen is an order of magnitude greater than from an MMR vaccine.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Anytime we have to weigh public health and the safety of cancer patients, infants, and those that are immune compromised and thus depend on herd immunity, against idiots, well I am going to go with public health and the safety of cancer patients, infants and the immune compromised. If you want to be an idiot and not vaccinate your kids, then you are free to do so, but you are going to have to home school them.
    Well, infants don't go to public school. At risk cancer patients and other "immune compromised" can be "home schooled" for THEIR safety if you REALLY want to eliminate their risks. That leaves vaccinated students, and the children of anti-vaxxers who pose no risk to the vaccinated.

    Of course if you insist that's too much of an imposition and you'd prefer to "punish" anti-vaxxer families for their "selfishness" then the law should allow those parents to set up their own private school rather than limit them to home-schooling. Just saying.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Yes, a child not being vaccinated has direct implications on the health of surrounding children, and it's not an issue where the individual can choose to opt out of what society is doing because of their personal beliefs.

    I noticed that a lot of people stated that the only exemption should be for medical reasons. I'm in agreement, but it's worth noting that some people believe vaccines cause Asperger's or other nonsense, and genuine medical exemptions have to filter out that nonsense.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    For public schools yes but I believe the state has no right to mandate this for private schools. That being said every kids unless they are allergic should be vaccinated.
    So students enrolled in private schools don't have a right to a healthy environment where they don't have to worry about being infected by preventable diseases?

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    I guess religious freedom really doesn't matter after all then, if you force people to act against their beliefs. Hmmmm where have I heard that before? Also what about the problem of kids being allergic to some vaccination ingredients? I know people allergic to eggs can't have the flu vaccine. My youngest cousin, who turns 3 next month, is allergic to just about darn near everything, including eggs. Its a catch 22 for some people.
    That's twisting the definition of religious freedom. Religious freedom grants one the right to hold any religious beliefs and practice those beliefs. It does not give one the right to carry out societally unacceptable actions in the name of their religion. Several states prohibit employers and landlords from discriminating against gays even when the employer/landlord holds religious objections. Human sacrifice is not legal, even though several religions involve sacrifice. Terrorist involved in 9/11 committed those atrocities in the name of Islam; should they have been granted a free pass in the name of religious freedom?

    Choosing to opt out of vaccinations is no different. Not being vaccinated damages herd immunity and increases the chances of surrounding children being infected with preventable diseases. Preventing outbreaks of diseases certainly outweighs allowing people to "express themselves" through endangering the health of others.

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    Answering my own post...

    One thing in favor of mandating it is that I do not believe for one second that all the people claiming religious objection really have religious objection. For many, I'd bet more than half don't have religious objection, it's just a ruse to keep people from questioning them.

    I have no way to prove this, of course, just a gut feeling.
    A quick browse through Wikipedia indicates that no major religions are opposed to vaccinations. Christian scientists take issue with it, and some Muslims and Jews object to vaccination, even though Judaism and Islam are not officially opposed to vaccinations.

    The larger issue is "personal objections," which 18 states allow, while 48 states allow religious objections. The percentage of people with genuine religious objections in the U.S. is miniscule, while many more people object to vaccinations based on vaguely based personal reasons, most often based on common misconceptions about vaccines.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Recently, California passed a law requiring all children to be fully vaccinated in order to attend public and private schools. Otherwise they MUST be home-schooled. That makes it one of only three states with this requirement and no “personal-belief” exemption.

    The question is: Should children be compelled to vaccinate in order to attend school or not. Please explain your reasoning.


    Of course. I had whooping cough last year because some stupid people did not vaccinate their kids!
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Yes, unless the child has a valid medical reason to avoid the vaccination. It's important to maintain herd immunity to protect kids that can't get vaccines.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Well, infants don't go to public school. At risk cancer patients and other "immune compromised" can be "home schooled" for THEIR safety if you REALLY want to eliminate their risks. That leaves vaccinated students, and the children of anti-vaxxers who pose no risk to the vaccinated.

    Of course if you insist that's too much of an imposition and you'd prefer to "punish" anti-vaxxer families for their "selfishness" then the law should allow those parents to set up their own private school rather than limit them to home-schooling. Just saying.
    It is not a question of punishment. It is a public health issue. With questions of public health you have to weigh rights of one group over another. In this case as I stated we have to weigh the rights of anti-vaxers against those that for medical reasons are depending on herd immunity. The antivaxxers lose that one. Welcome to modern civilization.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The post quoted above is a perfect example of the ignorance in the anti-vax movement.

    Actually, it places anyone at risk that is currently immune compromised when you refuse to vaccinate your kids. For example, infants, and cancer patients depend upon herd immunity because they are either too young to get all vaccinations or in the case of a cancer patient, immune compromised and thus cannot be vaccinated until they are in remission. Thus they depend upon everyone else being vaccinated. It is a public health issue.
    Since this mandate is specific to the school campus environment, my response was how it affected those in the classroom. It's not likely that infants, geriatric patients, etc. would be in schools. You do made a good point though. In that spirit it would seem to make sense to outlaw smoking in America.

    Another great companion to this and other public school mandates is to offer school choice options so that there can be cost neutral alternatives to families who prefer to not have the government exercise more authority on how they choose the raise their kids on a wide range of issues, but that's another topic.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    There are non-egg-derived vaccines, available upon request from your doctor. And even egg-derived vaccines are safe if you have allergies, you may just get a mild skin reaction.
    Well my cousin is a doctor so he probably knows about them. Still next time I see them I will let them know.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Since this mandate is special to the school campus environment, my response was how it affected those in the classroom. It's not likely that infants, geriatric patients, etc. would be in schools.

    Another great companion to this and other public school mandates is to offer school choice options so that there can be cost neutral alternatives to families who prefer to not have the government exercise more authority on how they choose the raise their kids on a wide range of issues, but that's another topic.
    There are no cancer patients in public school? There are no immune compromised kids in public school? I remember one of my classmates being treated for leukemia when I was in 7th grade. He depended upon everyone being vaccinated around him and thus there being herd immunity. Not a problem back then because we did not have a bunch anti-vax idiots getting their medical advice from celebrities, arguments from ignorance, and thoroughly discredited studies.

    Frankly the school requirement is simply the stick used to bring up vaccination rates to the levels needed to safe guard public health. We adopted two girls from China, they could not come to the United States until they were current on their vaccinations. There is a reason for that. In my opinion these idiots that want the freedom not to vaccinate should pack it up and move to a country with a public health system more conducive to their personal views like DR Congo or Haiti.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And I care about the ACLU why?
    Because chances are they will take a case to the Supreme Court and most likely win on the religious grounds argument.

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