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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Yes, public health overrides your philosophical or religious beliefs.
    I guess religious freedom really doesn't matter after all then, if you force people to act against their beliefs. Hmmmm where have I heard that before? Also what about the problem of kids being allergic to some vaccination ingredients? I know people allergic to eggs can't have the flu vaccine. My youngest cousin, who turns 3 next month, is allergic to just about darn near everything, including eggs. Its a catch 22 for some people.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Recently, California passed a law requiring all children to be fully vaccinated in order to attend public and private schools. Otherwise they MUST be home-schooled. That makes it one of only three states with this requirement and no “personal-belief” exemption.

    The question is: Should children be compelled to vaccinate in order to attend school or not. Please explain your reasoning.
    No. It's not placing anybody at risk except those who refuse to be vaccinated. It's nanny state mentality at the expense of parental rights. I support vaccinations, think people like Michelle Bachman are nuts and think everyone should get them but the government has no business being a dictatorship in the United States....except when other people's safety or expense is at risk.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    I guess religious freedom really doesn't matter after all then, if you force people to act against their beliefs. Hmmmm where have I heard that before? Also what about the problem of kids being allergic to some vaccination ingredients? I know people allergic to eggs can't have the flu vaccine. My youngest cousin, who turns 3 next month, is allergic to just about darn near everything, including eggs. Its a catch 22 for some people.
    In this case public health interests override ridiculous religious or personal beliefs. I never said anything about getting rid of medical exemptions, obviously you cannot give someone who is allergic a vaccine. In order for your youngest cousin to be safe, the maximum number of people possible have to have the vaccine.

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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    No. It's not placing anybody at risk except those who refuse to be vaccinated. It's nanny state mentality at the expense of parental rights. I support vaccinations, think people like Michelle Bachman are nuts and think everyone should get them but the government has no business being a dictatorship in the United States....except when other people's safety or expense is at risk.
    Even people who are vaccinated can become vulnerable as the virus can mutate if it is not eradicated. It also reduces the effectiveness of herd immunity which means people who cannot receive the vaccine for medical reasons are no longer safe.

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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Absolutely yes.

    Because of mandatory vaccinations over the past decades, polio, pertussis, smallpox, measles, diptheria were effectively wiped out, with few or no cases reported each year. Since this internet fear campaign has begun, people have stopped vaccinating their perfectly healthy children. The result? Ten infants too young to be vaccinated died of whooping cough in California alone last year. Measles has made a resurgence this year, along with all the dangerous side affects, including death, that this serious illness can cause. Children who have legitimate medical allergies to vaccines are now at immense risk of being infected by playmates who were not allergic, but not vaccinated because their parents made a "choice".

    Should parents have a "choice"? Sure. But if they choose to keep their own children vulnerable to diseases like polio, measles, whooping cough, etc., then they have no right to expose other people's children who are allergic to vaccinations or are too young to be vaccinated. Keep their kids out of schools, daycare, public summer camps, and other places where children gather. Home school them, or choose a private school that has no qualms about bringing in viruses and diseases that will be brought home to younger siblings. Apparently, these parents who choose not to vaccinate their children are unconcerned about other children in the household who are too young for such protection anyway.

    Seriously, this is one thing that really grinds my gears. After decades of finally ridding our kids of these dangerous diseases, a bunch of paranoid internet "experts" have single-handedly managed to begin unraveling all the health strides that were made during my lifetime. Guess how I "choose" to salute these people.

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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    I guess religious freedom really doesn't matter after all then, if you force people to act against their beliefs. Hmmmm where have I heard that before? Also what about the problem of kids being allergic to some vaccination ingredients? I know people allergic to eggs can't have the flu vaccine. My youngest cousin, who turns 3 next month, is allergic to just about darn near everything, including eggs. Its a catch 22 for some people.
    There are non-egg-derived vaccines, available upon request from your doctor. And even egg-derived vaccines are safe if you have allergies, you may just get a mild skin reaction.

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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I do not think we have much choice here, the answer has to be yes.

    We are sending our kids to school and they will be exposed to whatever the others there have, and this all becomes a matter of public safety for these kids. There are too many communicable diseases have been largely eradicated or at least put under control by immunization. I understand those with a medical condition of some sort may not be able to participate in immunization and an opt out is reasonable for those cases, but that should not be extended to those of philosophical or "religious" beliefs wanting to opt out for whatever reason. It goes against my Libertarianism, but our schools are nothing more than a Petri Dish pooling of whatever they all have and then bring to school to share. There is not enough legitimate reasoning to place kids in danger because a handful of parents want to opt out of Hepatitis B, or Influenza, or other immunizations for their kids.
    This is perfectly stated. Ditto.

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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I posted this in another thread earlier this year. It still applies, IMO, and this is why I fully understand the reasoning behind making it mandatory, but still cannot bring myself to endorse it...

    "...we have done very well with vaccines thus far. No complaints from me. I am a pro-vaxxer, not an anti-vaxxer. But... what if some vaccine in the future IS dangerous? Is the entire population screwed because the mandatory vaccine made things even worse? We've had good results so far, but will we always have good results? We're human, we simply don't do everything right.

    The government does have a healthy history of lying to us. 1950s atomic testing being just one prime example. I said it once and I'll say it again, we have had good results thus far, but if something did go wrong, would they be honest with us?"
    Answering my own post...

    One thing in favor of mandating it is that I do not believe for one second that all the people claiming religious objection really have religious objection. For many, I'd bet more than half don't have religious objection, it's just a ruse to keep people from questioning them.

    I have no way to prove this, of course, just a gut feeling.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Anytime we have to weigh public health and the safety of cancer patients, infants, and those that are immune compromised and thus depend on herd immunity, against idiots, well I am going to go with public health and the safety of cancer patients, infants and the immune compromised. If you want to be an idiot and not vaccinate your kids, then you are free to do so, but you are going to have to home school them.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    No. It's not placing anybody at risk except those who refuse to be vaccinated. It's nanny state mentality at the expense of parental rights. I support vaccinations, think people like Michelle Bachman are nuts and think everyone should get them but the government has no business being a dictatorship in the United States....except when other people's safety or expense is at risk.
    The post quoted above is a perfect example of the ignorance in the anti-vax movement.

    Actually, it places anyone at risk that is currently immune compromised when you refuse to vaccinate your kids. For example, infants, and cancer patients depend upon herd immunity because they are either too young to get all vaccinations or in the case of a cancer patient, immune compromised and thus cannot be vaccinated until they are in remission. Thus they depend upon everyone else being vaccinated. It is a public health issue.
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