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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by pilot16 View Post
    True. My son had the chicken pox vaccination in 7th grade and then in 11th grade got the chicken pox. Rare but it happens.
    It isn't too rare with other common vaccinations, diphtheria vaccination is @ 83% effective.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    yes, they should have to vaccinate their kids before they enroll them in a school. herd immunity only works if the herd is immune.

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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Recently, California passed a law requiring all children to be fully vaccinated in order to attend public and private schools. Otherwise they MUST be home-schooled. That makes it one of only three states with this requirement and no “personal-belief” exemption.

    The question is: Should children be compelled to vaccinate in order to attend school or not. Please explain your reasoning.
    For public schools yes but I believe the state has no right to mandate this for private schools. That being said every kids unless they are allergic should be vaccinated.

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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Since the efficacy of immunization is not 100%, the claim that the only children effected by non-immunization are the un-immunized is patently false.
    If the treatment isn't 100% effective, all the more reason to leave the decision to the individuals concerned, not the state. Perhaps the state would be well served to a) be more trustworthy and b) provide more education and less authoritarian dictates.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If the treatment isn't 100% effective, all the more reason to leave the decision to the individuals concerned, not the state. Perhaps the state would be well served to a) be more trustworthy and b) provide more education and less authoritarian dictates.
    Well, I see you have diverted from "the only children affected" falsehood....to "authoritarianism". Keep moving those goalposts without even having to remember what your argument was.

    Those un-immunized children are not being forced, they don't have to go to a public school.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Yes, unless a valid medical reason is provided.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Well, I see you have diverted from "the only children affected" falsehood....to "authoritarianism". Keep moving those goalposts without even having to remember what your argument was.

    Those un-immunized children are not being forced, they don't have to go to a public school.
    Not changing the goalposts at all - my point remains valid. If the vaccine doesn't work for a particular child, that's not the fault of the child who wasn't innoculated. Perhaps, if they contract the illness, they got it from another vaccinated child who was unfortunate enough not to have it work or they got it from one of the children who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons. Are you also banning the vaccine didn't take and the medically excused children from attending schools?

    But hey, I appreciate that as a card carrying liberal, you're mandated to the will of the collective and you're all for someone else running your life and you also like dictating how other people live their lives, so you're fine with it - others aren't. We'll see how this plays out in the courts.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    It is a matter of the public health - so vote YES.

    Lursa does have a point about a valid medical reason - and that would be the sole exception but it would have to be more than just fear and belief .
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not changing the goalposts at all - my point remains valid. If the vaccine doesn't work for a particular child, that's not the fault of the child who wasn't innoculated.
    Sure, those intentionally not being immunized bear no responsibility for spreading a disease.


    Perhaps, if they contract the illness, they got it from another vaccinated child who was unfortunate enough not to have it work or they got it from one of the children who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons.
    Perhaps the Flying Spaghetti Monster (blessed be its name, amen) swooped in and spread measles!

    Are you also banning the vaccine didn't take and the medically excused children from attending schools?
    The whole idea is to reduce the chances of anyone contracting these diseases, not to keep reducing ones argument to absurdity. But keep relying on absolutes to justify your positions. Perfection would be wonderful, but to argue that since perfection is not achievable we should keep weakening the (extremely successful) immunization scheme to placate a few irrational contrarians is absurd.

    But hey, I appreciate that as a card carrying liberal, you're mandated to the will of the collective and you're all for someone else running your life and you also like dictating how other people live their lives, so you're fine with it - others aren't. We'll see how this plays out in the courts.
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