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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Recently, California passed a law requiring all children to be fully vaccinated in order to attend public and private schools. Otherwise they MUST be home-schooled. That makes it one of only three states with this requirement and no “personal-belief” exemption.

    The question is: Should children be compelled to vaccinate in order to attend school or not. Please explain your reasoning.
    I voted "no", but would qualify it. Personally, I find it silly not to have vaccinations. And there are situations in which I would go much further than requiring immunization. But most of the shots are not that important objectively speaking. But if we force immunization on people, then they should be indemnified, should they come to harm.

    This is for public schools and excluding religious objectors.

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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Another thing, I would prefer tiers of vaccinations. For example, tier 1 would be mandatory and include, polio, MMR, chicken pox etc and then tier 2 wouldn't be mandatory but would include the flu, Gardasil etc. That way it would prevent pharma companies from using us as guinea pigs or politicians filling their pockets with profits from vaccinations. Remember Rick Perry and Gardasil?

    Rick Perry's HPV mandate returns to haunt him - Alexander Burns - POLITICO.com

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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    This won't be a popular response, but in the US if a woman can't be compelled to carry a "parasite" within her body because she has a constitutionally protected right to privacy, why should a child be compelled to be injected with a vaccine which is not 100% without side effects or worse in order to exercise their government mandated responsibility to attend school?

    In addition, why should the interests of others override a first amendment right to freedom to exercise religion as the individual sees fit?

    And let's be clear here - a child that is vaccinated is not susceptible to any affected disease from a child who isn't vaccinated. The only ones in danger are those who, like the unvaccinated child, chose not to vaccinate, or those children who are medically unable to vaccinate. We're talking about minute numbers in the big scheme of things.

    For me personally, it's a no brainer - I'd vaccinate my children. But in a free society where the majority doesn't run roughshod over the rights of minorities, I'm perfectly happy not to force my views on others.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Recently, California passed a law requiring all children to be fully vaccinated in order to attend public and private schools. Otherwise they MUST be home-schooled. That makes it one of only three states with this requirement and no “personal-belief” exemption.

    The question is: Should children be compelled to vaccinate in order to attend school or not. Please explain your reasoning.
    I posted this in another thread earlier this year. It still applies, IMO, and this is why I fully understand the reasoning behind making it mandatory, but still cannot bring myself to endorse it...

    "...we have done very well with vaccines thus far. No complaints from me. I am a pro-vaxxer, not an anti-vaxxer. But... what if some vaccine in the future IS dangerous? Is the entire population screwed because the mandatory vaccine made things even worse? We've had good results so far, but will we always have good results? We're human, we simply don't do everything right.

    The government does have a healthy history of lying to us. 1950s atomic testing being just one prime example. I said it once and I'll say it again, we have had good results thus far, but if something did go wrong, would they be honest with us?"
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I posted this in another thread earlier this year. It still applies, IMO, and this is why I fully understand the reasoning behind making it mandatory, but still cannot bring myself to endorse it...

    "...we have done very well with vaccines thus far. No complaints from me. I am a pro-vaxxer, not an anti-vaxxer. But... what if some vaccine in the future IS dangerous? Is the entire population screwed because the mandatory vaccine made things even worse? We've had good results so far, but will we always have good results? We're human, we simply don't do everything right.

    The government does have a healthy history of lying to us. 1950s atomic testing being just one prime example. I said it once and I'll say it again, we have had good results thus far, but if something did go wrong, would they be honest with us?"
    Agree, plus it wouldn't be past some of the big pharma companies to use us as experiments. After learning about the abuses in mental hospitals and prisons right up until the 80s, it make for concern. Put full faith in pharmaceutical companies?

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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    This won't be a popular response, but in the US if a woman can't be compelled to carry a "parasite" within her body because she has a constitutionally protected right to privacy, why should a child be compelled to be injected with a vaccine which is not 100% without side effects or worse in order to exercise their government mandated responsibility to attend school?

    In addition, why should the interests of others override a first amendment right to freedom to exercise religion as the individual sees fit?

    And let's be clear here - a child that is vaccinated is not susceptible to any affected disease from a child who isn't vaccinated. The only ones in danger are those who, like the unvaccinated child, chose not to vaccinate, or those children who are medically unable to vaccinate. We're talking about minute numbers in the big scheme of things.

    For me personally, it's a no brainer - I'd vaccinate my children. But in a free society where the majority doesn't run roughshod over the rights of minorities, I'm perfectly happy not to force my views on others.
    I really like this answer. Until I saw it I was going to post that though I don't like forced anything, if you're going to live in the herd you gotta submit to the need of the herd.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Unless there is some valid and demonstrable medical reason why not, absolutely. Screw religious and personal exemptions.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Unless there is some valid and demonstrable medical reason why not, absolutely. Screw religious and personal exemptions.
    ACLU disagrees.

    Fight against vaccination bill finds ally in ACLU - LA Times
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    This won't be a popular response, but in the US if a woman can't be compelled to carry a "parasite" within her body because she has a constitutionally protected right to privacy, why should a child be compelled to be injected with a vaccine which is not 100% without side effects or worse in order to exercise their government mandated responsibility to attend school?

    In addition, why should the interests of others override a first amendment right to freedom to exercise religion as the individual sees fit?

    And let's be clear here - a child that is vaccinated is not susceptible to any affected disease from a child who isn't vaccinated. The only ones in danger are those who, like the unvaccinated child, chose not to vaccinate, or those children who are medically unable to vaccinate. We're talking about minute numbers in the big scheme of things.

    For me personally, it's a no brainer - I'd vaccinate my children. But in a free society where the majority doesn't run roughshod over the rights of minorities, I'm perfectly happy not to force my views on others.
    Since the efficacy of immunization is not 100%, the claim that the only children effected by non-immunization are the un-immunized is patently false.
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    Re: Should children be required to vaccinate in order to attend School?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Since the efficacy of immunization is not 100%, the claim that the only children effected by non-immunization are the un-immunized is patently false.
    True. My son had the chicken pox vaccination in 7th grade and then in 11th grade got the chicken pox. Rare but it happens.

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