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Thread: Drowning people out.

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    Re: Drowning people out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Would you consider drowning out people from being able to say something as a possible violation of someone's freedom of speech? For instance there was a time that Christians often drowned out the LGBT community in order to try and get them to shut up and as a way of intimidating them into submission.

    Intimidation is a crime. The fact is, both the speaker and the person "drowning out" the other person is exercising their free speech.

    It's not perfect...but free speech is protection from the government not criticism of your speech by other citizens.
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    Re: Drowning people out.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, it wouldn't. It would be assault.
    Exactly...seems like the "no one should criticize other's speech" crowd knows it's a ridiculous argument so are throwing in ACTUAL crimes...like assault, threats, intimidation etc.
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    Re: Drowning people out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Would you consider drowning out people from being able to say something as a possible violation of someone's freedom of speech? For instance there was a time that Christians often drowned out the LGBT community in order to try and get them to shut up and as a way of intimidating them into submission.
    I believe that private individuals and groups should be able to do, what they like. If they do not want to publish something it is their affair.

    That should not be so, for public media.

    Or why should Gay Times be forced to publish articles explaining the reservations many have as to the legitimacy of the situation? I see no reason.

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    Re: Drowning people out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    You're such a diplomat I think I'm going to start calling you Kissinger.

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    Re: Drowning people out.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Would you consider drowning out people from being able to say something as a possible violation of someone's freedom of speech? For instance there was a time that Christians often drowned out the LGBT community in order to try and get them to shut up and as a way of intimidating them into submission.
    Disagreeing with someone, or protesting, is not the same as using suasion to prevent them from talking.

    Even something like a boycott is not drowning someone out. The subject of said boycott is fully capable of finding their own ways of expressing their views.

    There may be a few situations where a platform gets taken over by critics; e.g. Jindal's #AskBobby hashtag resulted in epic trolling, and any genuine questions for Jindal are effectively buried. However, that is more a PR screwup than anyone trying to censor Jindal.

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    Re: Drowning people out.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, it wouldn't. It would be assault.
    Not if the student didn't touch the person. I'm thinking of a couple of instances here on college campuses when students rushed the stage and knock over the podium with the microphone attached to it. The speaker wasn't touched.

    I guess the students were demonstrating what they had been taught so far about the 1st Amendment.
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    Re: Drowning people out.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Not if the student didn't touch the person. I'm thinking of a couple of instances here on college campuses when students rushed the stage and knock over the podium with the microphone attached to it. The speaker wasn't touched.

    I guess the students were demonstrating what they had been taught so far about the 1st Amendment.
    If you snatch something forcefully from someone, it's assault.


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    Re: Drowning people out.

    By the way, would it be bad form to bomb this thread with dozens of short, one-line responses?


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    Re: Drowning people out.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If you snatch something forcefully from someone, it's assault.
    Yes it is. If you don't touch them, but in my example, just knock the podium and microphone over, what would you call it?
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    Re: Drowning people out.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Yes it is. If you don't touch them, but in my example, just knock the podium and microphone over, what would you call it?
    Vandalism.


    Thank you, Quazi!

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