Where you say "US is funding jihadist terrorists and mercenaries" or say " there was never such a thing as a moderate rebel," I offer we either continue to ignore or do not bother ever really understanding the nature of the people we are asking to take our side at that moment.
The sad reality is we continue to make the mistake of assuming that we can appeal to "moderates" to look at things over there but through the confines of western governmental and social ideologies, and it ends up failing time and time again. We continue to look at our "partners" in the region and ignore that they are only a step or two down themselves in being a brutal dictatorship where over here we do not have honest discussion on who we end up funding or why.
I bring up Saudi Arabia all the time in this regard. A textbook example of the US overlooking their oppression oriented controls, their theocratic nightmare of limited rights of the people, their brutality in the enforcement of the regime... but then we wander around the Middle East calling al-Assad's government a problem (because they would rather deal with Russia,) or Iran's leadership a problem (because they would rather deal with Russia *and* they have basically told us to go **** ourselves.)
But really we are all talking about cuts of the same cloth, more importantly cuts of the same religious and social ideology that tends to breed theocratic dictatorships. Where the difference between one nation we call an ally and another we call an enemy is simply what the US did not get but wanted, and tends to breed such ideological driven violence that the difference between a "moderate" and a terrorist is whom is the victim in relation to who the US calls an ally. I know it upsets many people to mention but we are talking about a religious ideology that is furthest behind the evolution curve, the easiest to turn into a weapon, and tends to be filled with themes that merges the gap between government authority and religious authority. An Islamic State is not a new term or idea, it is baked into the text of the book they hold most sacred. Harsh law, social controls, and a lack of rights in our terminology is also not a new idea, that is also baked into the text.
We should never discount that some of those who eventually became al-Qaeda, were funded by the US when they called themselves the Mujahideen going up against Russia in Afghanistan. Nor should we discount the potential that the US and NATO either knowingly took a risk or unknowingly as an act of continued stupidity funded al-Qaeda affiliates and fighters in both the Libyan Civil War and the current Syrian Civil War. al-Nusra and various other Islamic organizations in Syria all come to mind, those were the "moderates" that even McCain wanted to fund and arm to the teeth.
But like everything else our current foreign policy ignores history, we end up funding the next problem. Current US desires for the region end up with consequences. Remember Iran vs. Iraq, and all our dealings with both nations all over the 80's and early 90's right up to having to deal with Iraq going into Kuwait.
The answers are yes, we are funding terrorists even if it means they are not called as much today. And that means "our side" all boils down to our desires at that moment with no forward thinking. Bragging rights no, but control over the region we either do not understand or do not care to understand is the goal. There are no good guys and it is not OK for us to be funding and arming those who ultimately becomes a future generation's problems. It is all more of the same, the continuation of our confusing and hypocritical foreign policy that breeds tomorrow's problems... on repeat.
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"Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people." - Penn Jillette.
The funding was admitted to by the Pentagon, Secy' of Defense and Navy Commander. We also funded al Queda starting in 1990 with Osama bin Ladin. There is no question that we are funding terrorist. We are also training them in Jordan and Saudi Arabia. It's not the story that is ridiculous, it is the FACT that the USA is funding terrorists that is ridiculous. Di you vote for that?
Ah, yes, information clearing house, the notorious conspiracy/hate site.
and we are promoting this bat **** crazy website in the poll section instead of it's natural home in the conspiracy section, why, again?
"you're better off on Stormfront discussing how evil brown men are taking innocent white flowers." Infinite Chaos
“I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.
This is hardly a conspiracy.