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    Re: Did this police officer act correctly?

    The officer was absolutely within his rights to respond once the gun was flashed (yes...carrying concealed means carrying CONCEALED...when the weapon became exposed the officer was just dealing with a man with a gun). There was absolutely no cause to threaten to shoot him in the back and his language was certainly unprofessional. His RESPONSE was unprofessional. He SHOULD have had the man stand with his hands on the vehicle, cuffed him, removed the weapon, asked the man to produce his CCW, and then uncuffed him, returned his firearm, discussed with him his reasons for responding, issued the citation for expired plates, and sent him on his way. Could have been a pretty quick process.

    If you are going to carry concealed you HAVE to ensure the weapon is concealed. And even if the law doesnt require it...its a good courtesy to hand the officer your drivers license and CCW IMO.

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    Re: Did this police officer act correctly?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Aside from the f-bombs, I have no problem with the officer's actions.
    I would agree though I'd add the "Or I'll shoot you in the effin back" was also waaaaay over the top.

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    Re: Did this police officer act correctly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    In this case the charges against the driver were dismissed. The driver sued the deputy and those charges were also dismissed.

    I don't have any problem with the charges against the cop being dismissed as he didn't actually do anything wrong but he should have received a whole lot of additional training because he also didn't do much of anything right.
    Threatening to shoot someone in the "****ing back" because they are legally carrying a weapon certainly is something wrong, then fabricating charges against the man also seems wrong to me. I would think not only training would be needed here but a re-evaluation of this officers ability to work with the public, and a possible permanent desk job if he planned to stay with the police.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    I hope this cop never comes to Colorado. He'll be a basket-case after running into all the people who are legally carrying an unconcealed weapon.
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    Re: Did this police officer act correctly?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The officer was absolutely within his rights to respond once the gun was flashed (yes...carrying concealed means carrying CONCEALED...when the weapon became exposed the officer was just dealing with a man with a gun). There was absolutely no cause to threaten to shoot him in the back and his language was certainly unprofessional. His RESPONSE was unprofessional. He SHOULD have had the man stand with his hands on the vehicle, cuffed him, removed the weapon, asked the man to produce his CCW, and then uncuffed him, returned his firearm, discussed with him his reasons for responding, issued the citation for expired plates, and sent him on his way. Could have been a pretty quick process.

    If you are going to carry concealed you HAVE to ensure the weapon is concealed. And even if the law doesnt require it...its a good courtesy to hand the officer your drivers license and CCW IMO.
    If you carry on a regular basis you will, at some point, end up exposing your weapon. The only way to reduce the chance of exposure is to conceal in such a way that the weapon becomes inaccessible and then there's no point in carrying. You can use a holster bag but doing so generally looks out of place and it's nowhere near as convenient or as comfortable as it might look. If the law in your state is something to the effect of "concealed means not showing any part of the firearm under any circumstances" that's simply an unrealistic expectation and it should be treated as nothing less than a method for the state to circumvent concealed carry rules.

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    Re: Did this police officer act correctly?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The officer was absolutely within his rights to respond once the gun was flashed (yes...carrying concealed means carrying CONCEALED...when the weapon became exposed the officer was just dealing with a man with a gun). There was absolutely no cause to threaten to shoot him in the back and his language was certainly unprofessional. His RESPONSE was unprofessional. He SHOULD have had the man stand with his hands on the vehicle, cuffed him, removed the weapon, asked the man to produce his CCW, and then uncuffed him, returned his firearm, discussed with him his reasons for responding, issued the citation for expired plates, and sent him on his way. Could have been a pretty quick process.

    If you are going to carry concealed you HAVE to ensure the weapon is concealed. And even if the law doesnt require it...its a good courtesy to hand the officer your drivers license and CCW IMO.
    It is not a crime to have an accidental exposure here. This is part of that reason I bet.
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    Re: Did this police officer act correctly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    If you carry on a regular basis you will, at some point, end up exposing your weapon. The only way to reduce the chance of exposure is to conceal in such a way that the weapon becomes inaccessible and then there's no point in carrying. You can use a holster bag but doing so generally looks out of place and it's nowhere near as convenient or as comfortable as it might look. If the law in your state is something to the effect of "concealed means not showing any part of the firearm under any circumstances" that's simply an unrealistic expectation and it should be treated as nothing less than a method for the state to circumvent concealed carry rules.
    Ive carried for 33 years. I can honestly say Ive never flashed a weapon in 33 years. But lets be honest...if you raise your arms above shoulder level and your gun becomes exposed, you are not carrying concealed effectively.

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    Re: Did this police officer act correctly?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ive carried for 33 years. I can honestly say Ive never flashed a weapon in 33 years. But lets be honest...if you raise your arms above shoulder level and your gun becomes exposed, you are not carrying concealed effectively.
    The object of carrying, concealed or open, is to have ready access to a firearm should the need to use one come about. It is not to merely be as sneaky as possible while lugging a chunk of steel around. If you prioritize "hidden" over "accessible" you are putting yourself at a disadvantage. If the state mandates that you prioritize hidden over accessible then the state is putting you at a disadvantage.

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    Re: Did this police officer act correctly?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    It is not a crime to have an accidental exposure here. This is part of that reason I bet.
    I didnt say he should be arrested for flashing his weapon...I said the cop should determine if he actually had a CCW and then send him on his way.

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    Re: Did this police officer act correctly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    The object of carrying, concealed or open, is to have ready access to a firearm should the need to use one come about. It is not to merely be as sneaky as possible while lugging a chunk of steel around. If you prioritize "hidden" over "accessible" you are putting yourself at a disadvantage. If the state mandates that you prioritize hidden over accessible then the state is putting you at a disadvantage.
    Not really trying to argue with you. Conceal-ability and accessibility is not that difficult. Its just not.

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