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  • A clerk that refuses to issue a marriage license to a same sex couple because they are a Christian.

    50 92.59%
  • A clerk that refuses to issue a permit to a slaughterhouse because they are a Buddhist.

    50 92.59%
  • A clerk that refuses to issue a liquor license because they are a Muslim.

    52 96.30%
  • A clerk that refuses to issue a drilling permit because they are a wiccan.

    49 90.74%
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Thread: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, you keep responding. Don't want me to say it again, stop. Easy.
    Okay, you get the last word. Go! (Be sure to say one more time that you'd fire a good employee because he's a whiny religious person).
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So if it's grounds for termination, then what is the point of your silly hypotheticals if the "vast, vast majority" of employers would terminate the employees? Do you think there may be an epidemic of wiccans being in a position of being the sole permit providers for drillers? Do you think we have Christians all over the country just waiting for a chance to deny a couple a marriage certificate so they can see their name all over the news and internet and get death threats from strangers and have the righteous on DP call them bigots?
    It was to make a point. Most of the same people that would be hollering about discrimination against Christians when a clerk is fired for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples would see no problem at all for firing a Muslim that refused to issue Liquor Licenses.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Ummm... where is the "all the above" option?

    A government employee is not a business owner; he/she is hired to provide the services and preform the duties of the job. If the job is to issue a license, and the applicant has paid the fees and met all requirements of the law, then either the license must be issued, or the employee can resign and let someone else do the job.
    true enough. Good to see you back CA-its been over a year IIRC
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true enough. Good to see you back CA-its been over a year IIRC
    Hey Turtledude!

    Good to be back. I happen to be on a vacation so I can actually spend some quality time adding my particular brand of B/S on here again.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    None of the above if there is someone else who can cover for him/her. If he/she is the ultimate decision maker than I think he/she should be removed or transferred.

    I have 10 people who work for me and there have been times and different reasons that they can't/won't work with a customer. I get someone else to cover. It isn't a big deal.
    Have you ever thought that maybe it is a big deal to that other person who has to take up the slack for someone who might be refusing to work with a customer, for whatever reason, but particularly if it is certain types of customers.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    How is it different? I'm the manager, the customer expects x service, and it's my right to decide which employee fulfills the customer needs. I didn't say anything about a difficult customer.

    Unless "being the only person in the division to give out slaughterhouse licenses" is clearly stated in the job description, any smart and reasonable manager will get someone else to do it. Why would you force a good employee to do something that you know will upset him?
    He/she isn't really a "good employee" if they aren't willing to do their job without regard to their religious feelings about a certain group of people or their legal activity.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I think that's a pretty good rule of thumb, and maybe if you're employed in a capacity where you're easily replaced you feel that it's a necessity you'd toe any line, but I wouldn't consider it to be universal.

    I've refused to work with clients, and I've had clients refuse to work with me.

    In both cases we're talking about rare instances but when they pop up it all comes down to pretty basic value judgements.

    If I'm an above average contributor who has received glowing reviews from clients, in a job that requires specialized industry and corporate knowledge, and I tend to get along well within the corporate culture, is it REALLY worth it to go through the time, effort, and expense to fire and replace me?

    Over something like this?

    Maybe it is, and if you're looking for a reason to let someone go this could certainly present a manager with a lucky opportunity to do so.

    But if you're talking about a strong member of a team with just this one "weakness" it seems to me that finding a work-around would be the best course of action.
    How hard do you think issuing a marriage license, keeping track of them and other county paperwork, being county clerk might be? It isn't rocket science or nuclear engineering or even computer programming. While I don't doubt that this isn't a job just anyone should be in, it also isn't really something that requires a whole helluva lot of effort to accomplish.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It's their job, says who? The department is set up to give out licenses. It isn't up to you to decide which employee provides you with your license. It's up to his/her manager.
    Actually, no. Federal and state laws actually do have some say in whether or not certain employees can refuse to give you certain licenses or government paperwork based on your race, religion, sex, etc.

    What is to prevent a state employee from refusing to issue a birth certificate to a same sex couple for their child?
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So if it's grounds for termination, then what is the point of your silly hypotheticals if the "vast, vast majority" of employers would terminate the employees? Do you think there may be an epidemic of wiccans being in a position of being the sole permit providers for drillers? Do you think we have Christians all over the country just waiting for a chance to deny a couple a marriage certificate so they can see their name all over the news and internet and get death threats from strangers and have the righteous on DP call them bigots?
    Have you ever even visited a small rural county office before? There might be one, MAYBE two, clerks, and if they're both christians I guess all the gays in the county should just gtfo, right? State workers are not allowed to use their positions of power to hurt minority groups they find icky.

    Just 50 short years ago those christian county clerks in the south were denying voter registration to african americans. Have we not already settled this issue?
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Have you ever even visited a small rural county office before? There might be one, MAYBE two, clerks, and if they're both christians I guess all the gays in the county should just gtfo, right? State workers are not allowed to use their positions of power to hurt minority groups they find icky.

    Just 50 short years ago those christian county clerks in the south were denying voter registration to african americans. Have we not already settled this issue?
    There was one at the office my husband and I got our marriage license from.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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