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  • A clerk that refuses to issue a marriage license to a same sex couple because they are a Christian.

    50 92.59%
  • A clerk that refuses to issue a permit to a slaughterhouse because they are a Buddhist.

    50 92.59%
  • A clerk that refuses to issue a liquor license because they are a Muslim.

    52 96.30%
  • A clerk that refuses to issue a drilling permit because they are a wiccan.

    49 90.74%
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Thread: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    To be fair, and you'll see above that I'm agreeing with you in principal, in most municipalities it's the town clerk's job to process the marriage license and in most municipalities I've lived in there is a (singular) town clerk.

    If the only option for the town is to either replace the clerk or undertake the expense to hire an assistant with no religious objections to anything (assuming that doing so is even financially feasible) I think you have to fire and replace the clerk.

    If there is a stable of assistant clerks and the head clerk can farm out the work based on each subordinate's personal preferences then, sure, as you say, it is his or her right as the manager to do so.

    But if the manager is the manager is the assistant, is the admin, is the intern....

    And you're the mayor...

    You gotta ****can the clerk and find someone who will do the job you need done.
    I made it clear that I am not talking about a one man operation nor about a situation where there is only one person who can fulfill the task.

    For people to be salivating over the idea of firing someone is just appalling. So much for compassion. I find it disturbing.

    If the town clerk is the only person who can give you a liquor license then you have to go above that person's head, it's up to whomever he/she works for to deal with it. These ridiculous hypotheticals always pop up and they are always finger in throat nauseating. People who have religious beliefs - and I'm not one of them - are not the boogeymen.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Anyone who, for any reason, religious or not, refuses to do the job that they were hired to do, deserves to be fired.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I can only answer for myself, and my answer is this. I don't believe in making my employees do something that they don't want to do for any personal reason if I have someone else to do the job. It isn't relevant to the buyer/end user who the person is who is stamping a license.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Ummm... where is the "all the above" option?

    A government employee is not a business owner; he/she is hired to provide the services and preform the duties of the job. If the job is to issue a license, and the applicant has paid the fees and met all requirements of the law, then either the license must be issued, or the employee can resign and let someone else do the job.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    What they should do is give it to another person who will process it or place it on hold until the next day when someone without objections can do it. The government can't refuse it, but the individual people working on it should be allowed to refuse on sincerely held religious objections so long as the service gets done by someone else.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    What if you had an employee that due to their personal bias refused to serve black people?
    What if I had an employee that due to their personal bias refused to serve white people? Get someone else to do it if I wanted to keep the employee and it didn't disrupt my office.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What if I had an employee that due to their personal bias refused to serve white people? Get someone else to do it if I wanted to keep the employee and it didn't disrupt my office.
    I think the vast, vast majority of employers would fire an employee for refusing to serve a customer due to that person's race. I have never fired anyone working for me in my life, and I am pretty sure that one would be grounds for termination. Refusing to serve someone due to their sexual orientation, sex, or ethnicity is almost always grounds for termination and in the public sector it is every time.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I think the vast, vast majority of employers would fire an employee for refusing to serve a customer due to that person's race. I have never fired anyone working for me in my life, and I am pretty sure that one would be grounds for termination. Refusing to serve someone due to their sexual orientation, sex, or ethnicity is almost always grounds for termination and in the public sector it is every time.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    What they should do is give it to another person who will process it or place it on hold until the next day when someone without objections can do it. The government can't refuse it, but the individual people working on it should be allowed to refuse on sincerely held religious objections so long as the service gets done by someone else.
    But digs, why should they have to wait til the next day for something that they are legally allowed to have? Come on - in a government situation, you can't deny someone based on their beliefs. They knew the demands of the job when it was offered to them. In any other capacity, if someone failed to do their job just because they didn't want to, they'd be fired. I see no difference here.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    OK, this is a multiple choice, so select all that you feel applies. Which of the hypothetical public employees should be fire or moved to a different position for not doing their job?
    Either all of them or none of them depending upon your view.

    I would break it down this way, if the clerks in these offices refuse but someone is always in the office who will sign one I don't care if that's the system,
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