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  • A clerk that refuses to issue a marriage license to a same sex couple because they are a Christian.

    50 92.59%
  • A clerk that refuses to issue a permit to a slaughterhouse because they are a Buddhist.

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  • A clerk that refuses to issue a liquor license because they are a Muslim.

    52 96.30%
  • A clerk that refuses to issue a drilling permit because they are a wiccan.

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Thread: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I think that's a pretty good rule of thumb, and maybe if you're employed in a capacity where you're easily replaced you feel that it's a necessity you'd toe any line, but I wouldn't consider it to be universal.

    I've refused to work with clients, and I've had clients refuse to work with me.

    In both cases we're talking about rare instances but when they pop up it all comes down to pretty basic value judgements.

    If I'm an above average contributor who has received glowing reviews from clients, in a job that requires specialized industry and corporate knowledge, and I tend to get along well within the corporate culture, is it REALLY worth it to go through the time, effort, and expense to fire and replace me?

    Over something like this?

    Maybe it is, and if you're looking for a reason to let someone go this could certainly present a manager with a lucky opportunity to do so.

    But if you're talking about a strong member of a team with just this one "weakness" it seems to me that finding a work-around would be the best course of action.
    We are talking about a low level clerk you are standing in line at a county or city office to deal with.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    We are talking about a low level clerk you are standing in line at a county or city office to deal with.
    Even at that level you'd need to have institutional knowledge of how things are done, a reasonable degree of proficiency in office work, you'd need to be a team player with a personality that fits the workplace culture, maybe you've got some political connections and/or know where some bodies are buried.

    We're not talking about a fry chef or the guy who puts "Peg A" in to "Slot B" on the assembly line.

    I can see where both of you guys are coming from.

    The bottom line has to be, "What's in the best interest of this office?"

    I can see where there would be situations where you'd fire and replace the offender, and I can also see where there'd be situations where you'd just do some of that managing that you're getting paid to do.

    I don't really think there's one, simple, clear cut answer to this question.

    Unless you're approaching it from a strictly ideological perspective.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    OK, this is a multiple choice, so select all that you feel applies. Which of the hypothetical public employees should be fire or moved to a different position for not doing their job?



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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Ok, what if its a small county then and there is one clerk?

    Moreover, would you hold the same opinion if a clerk refused to issue drivers licenses to women or refused to issue marriage licenses to interracial couples? What would be the difference?
    I already said if you're a one man show you need to do it or else be fired or reassigned.

    My opinion is the same regardless of the situation. If someone else can do it, have the other person do it.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Even at that level you'd need to have institutional knowledge of how things are done, a reasonable degree of proficiency in office work, you'd need to be a team player with a personality that fits the workplace culture, maybe you've got some political connections and/or know where some bodies are buried.

    We're not talking about a fry chef or the guy who puts "Peg A" in to "Slot B" on the assembly line.

    I can see where both of you guys are coming from.

    The bottom line has to be, "What's in the best interest of this office?"

    I can see where there would be situations where you'd fire and replace the offender, and I can also see where there'd be situations where you'd just do some of that managing that you're getting paid to do.

    I don't really think there's one, simple, clear cut answer to this question.

    Unless you're approaching it from a strictly ideological perspective.
    I agree with this, but there are two things at play here. 1. What is the best thing for the office. 2. No public employee can discriminate against citizens. If you refuse to serve someone due to animus, then by definition you are acting in a discriminatory manner and should be reprimanded or fired for doing so.

    For example, we would never consider it acceptable of any county clerks office for a clerk to refuse to issue a marriage license to an interracial couple. This is no different. Even if the clerk believed that interracial marriage was against God's law, they can't discriminate in their jobs thus they either do their job or find another one. The same applies to same sex marriage.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    They knew the job requirements when they were hired. If they refuse to do their job, they should be removed, and someone else should take over. Unemployment is high - I'd bet there are several people who would love to have that job, who would actually do what they are hired to do.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I already said if you're a one man show you need to do it or else be fired or reassigned.

    My opinion is the same regardless of the situation. If someone else can do it, have the other person do it.
    So to kinda rephrase what I think your point is: if the office itself can operate properly with certain people being unwilling to do certain things, then there is no need to fire any one. Is that correct? If so, my followup would be: do you think the supervisors of the office should be able to fire people who refuse to do one of the jobs mentioned in the poll for religious reasons? That is, my question is not whether he should fire them, but whether he could fire them if he chose.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    We are talking about a low level clerk you are standing in line at a county or city office to deal with.

    Imaginary offenses.

    Now you have my interest...

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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So to kinda rephrase what I think your point is: if the office itself can operate properly with certain people being unwilling to do certain things, then there is no need to fire any one. Is that correct? If so, my followup would be: do you think the supervisors of the office should be able to fire people who refuse to do one of the jobs mentioned in the poll for religious reasons? That is, my question is not whether he should fire them, but whether he could fire them if he chose.
    I can only answer for myself, and my answer is this. I don't believe in making my employees do something that they don't want to do for any personal reason if I have someone else to do the job. It isn't relevant to the buyer/end user who the person is who is stamping a license.
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    Re: Which of the following hypothetical public employees should be fired?

    By the way, I never said employees should never be fired. I'm confused that people don't understand a simple concept.

    If I had a Muslim employee who was a good employee and I know it would upset and hurt him to issue a liquor license, and I had 10 other people who could do it, what the hell is my reason to force him to do it?
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